2011 Navara V6 TD 170KW 550NM!!!

By the time I set up my D40 dual cab it was in the order of $65K... had I chose a HiLux and did the same aftermarket fitout it would have been $79K....so $60K ain't that much really........(not that I'd do this a second time though...this is my retirement rig and will hopefully see me out).

I judged that as vapourware as far as the GU Patrol was concerned and this was a significant factor in getting the last of the 4800's recently, would love to be wrong in that judgement even now, but hope it comes off for the ute boys.

G/Day Robin, You have been a bit quiet about the Newie!!,( Nosey Bugger I know!!) Always interested in whats going on in the new vehicle scene!....LOL.


Cheers Axle

Hi Axle

Its been a bit full on actually , I'll try and post something soon rather than take up Marks thread - but just back from Stockton beach then spent entire day today in atrouious conditions taking on my brother double locked 80 series with its big tyres in the new auto Patrol as I got front locker installed couple of days ago some hairy stuff with mixed results.

Sorry, you mentioned 170Kw and 550Nm but anyway, same comments apply.

Sorry Don, my intent was directed towards the Hilux, not the Landcruiser!

Mark.

'what will Toyota do to counter that?'

I suppose it will then be down to reliability?? Plenty of Yotas around to recover these highly strung wanna bees?? Be advised to carry own snatchum strap though!! Hee hee hee.

That's Toyota's excuse every time they get absolutely spanked by the competition. Anyway, Toyotas are a toy, hence the name. I am getting a Duramax 6.6L V8 diesel! hehehehe

Chevypower,

When was the last time that Nissan spanked Toyota in the power/torque stakes....???

Well let me see, umm, err...well actually never...!!! And anyway, the engine in question is a Renault engine and no doubt a good sedan/light SUV engine, but time will tell if iit goes well in the serious off road business. I certainly hope they don't put it in the new Patrol as has been rumoured. They will still be a country mile behind the LCC200 if they do.

And, since you are into your power stakes, the new F truck 6.7l TD craps all over the Duramax V8 diesel. The new Powerstroke 6.7l delivers 260kw and 1080Nm @ 1200-2800rpm.

Yeah, but I have driven both. Actually I have driven the Dodge too. The 2011 Duramax noticeably outperforms the Ford 6.7 (yes, job 2) despite the Ford's bigger numbers. Even in towing, and especially at high altitudes (see Mike Levine's tests at www.pickuptrucks.com). Also, the Duramax seems to be better calibrated with the Allison tranny, than the Powerstroke is to the TorqShift. When downshifting, I really noticed that. The Duramax was more willing to be pushed in to the upper rpm range to slow the truck, rather than letting the wheel brakes do the work. Then there's the fact that new Chevy is sitting on a very impressive brand new fully boxed frame. Make no mistake though, the Ford is definitely not slow! Hits the speed limiter in no time.

Don M,

Quote 'When was the last time that Nissan spanked Toyota in the power/torque stakes....???

Well let me see, umm, err...well actually never...!!!'

That's interesting. Perhaps you should pull your head from the sand Don. The D40 Navara wipes the floor with the pusslux with 140kW v's 126kW, and torque of 450Nm (which is more than 70 series LC) v's 343nm. That's over 100Nm more torque than Hilux.

Then there is the new Patrol wagon. 200 series petrol has a piddly 202kW, new petrol Patrol has 300kW. Woops, that might just spank Toymota there Don, mighn't it?

Lets not even mention drivelines shall we. It's common knowledge that you'll destroy 7 toyota diffs to 1 Nissan diff. Gearboxes, same deal. May be the reason you see more Nissans used in 4WD comps. Tougher.

I used to be a toyota man, until I bought a Nissan and saw the light.

Redrider,

All fair points but I was only talking about the full sized Landcruiser vs Patrol and really, expressing my disappointment that the next gen Patrol is looking at using that same V6 which, good as it may be, will be no match for the V8TTD in the Cruiser again, in power and torque terms.

And Petrol, well the Toyota also has a bigger V8 already in the Lexus and the same as the only engine available in USA Cruisers which matches the Patrol V8 in terms of capacity (5.7l) and power and torque.

As for the engine outdoing the 70 series, I think you should look a bit more carefully at how and when the figures are developed. The single turbo Toyota develops max torque all the way from 1000 to 2800 rpm and I suspect you will find that the Renault V6 in question, like a lot of the latest variants of most Euro diesels, has good figures on paper but need to rev a bit more and have a fairly narrow torque band. The latest LR D4 comes to mind. Great engine and better figures than the V6 in question, 170kw and 600Nm if memory serves.

Redrider,

Another thing I meant to say was that I would buy a Navara over a Hi Lux even before that engine upgrade. I don't care too much for Hi Lux.

And, as for the LC200, great engine but I am bitterly disappointed by some aspects. The engine is great but Toyota really missed the point. It should have had a GVM of at least 3800kg and a towing capacity of 4000kg given its size. My next caravn will probably take it over the 3500kg capacity of the LC and I will have to go for an F truck or Silverado etc.

You have to wonder what else is in the pipeline. The Ford Ranger looks like it's going to be a good thing, the VW Amarok too, although the new Navara is going to make both look underpowered before they're even launched. A smaller bored and stroked Toyota V8, say around 3.5L, would sit pretty good in the Hilux...love dreamin!

Mark.