80 ser. AWD
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:07
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Ray
Can anybody explain the consequences of running th above vehicle with the front prop shaft removed?
Reply By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:48
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:48
hi ray
basicly you wont ever have 4wd while its removed and it may have a bearing on how the vehicle behaves on bituemin and gravel
as it was set up to be full time 4wd so the dynamics in handling may be quiet different
you may also get some sort of error message on the computor system with the shaft removed
apart from that
it may
well be an option to drive without the front shaft
but what are you expecting to gain from removing it ??
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:30
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:30
hi ray
it may also void your insurance in the case of an accident with the shaft removed as it is licensed and endorsed and insured as an awd vehicle
they dont miss much these days when it comes to an investigation
they would claim that the vehicle dynamics have been interfered with and reneg on a pay out
that risk would be yours when it comes to a legal dispute
its not something i would chance
cheers
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 17:18
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 17:18
What error message on what computer would that be ??
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 21:27
Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 21:27
On an AWD vehicle like the 80, with the front shaft off you will need to engage 4wd to get drive. They have a diff in the centre.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 06:51
Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 06:51
Hi Fisho64,
An 80 isn't a AWD.
4WD basics
"All wheel drive (AWD) is almost the same thing as full time 4WD - it is a system that powers all four
wheels of a vehicle at all times as
well. It can be used full time on all surfaces including pavement like full time 4WD. Difference to full time 4WD is that a "4-low" setting is not available in AWD cars. Due to the lack of "low range", AWD vehicles are much less capable in off-road settings than full time 4WD vehicles, but work perfectly
well on-road."
Diffs for Dummies
From the Lcool web site. It explains how the Diffs work in an 80.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 21:17
Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 21:17
It is an "AWD", only that AWD encompasses a larger range of vehicles, softroaders etc.
Not really the point though-see my follow-up for the info regarding driving a "Full Time Four Wheel Drive" with the front tailshaft removed.
Are you saying this isnt correct? I have a 100, and when the front CV gutted itself the only way to get forward movement was to engage 4WD to bring the vehicle home.
Maybe the 80 is different but I wouldnt have thought so.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 06:56
Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 06:56
Did you read the articles that I posted the link to?
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 09:50
Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 09:50
no sorry I didnt.
Not really interested in the difference as the question was about "what happens when you remove the front driveshaft in an 80AWD" not "whats the difference between a 4wd and AWD".
I used the term as it was in the original post and isnt important in any way here.
I appreciate your efforts to educate me but Im probably too old and cranky to be concerned about the difference unless it affects me directly!
:-)
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 13:28
Tuesday, Nov 02, 2010 at 13:28
If it seemed that it was directed at you, it wasn't meant to be, Sorry.
It is a subject that a lot get confused about.
On EO a couple of years ago, there was a thread about some people that took their AWD into the Never Never and became stuck and perished.
They Held the belief that their vehicle could go anywhere because it was an All Wheel Drive.
Anyway,
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:14
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:14
Should behave no differently than after fitting a part time 4WD kit to the 80. I'm assuming, however, that you wouldn't want to be leaving the shaft out forever though as the vehicle would always be just a 2WD.
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:46
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:46
Hi Ray
There would be no real consequences, it would just be like driving a Std 80 series. There is probably not much point though unless except maybe removing some driveline slop if you have it.
There would be no economy or wear benifits as you would get by fitting a part time kit as you are still turning the front diff (unless you put free wheeling hubs on).
Chris
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Reply By: gbc - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 15:55
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 15:55
You'll need to engage the centre diff to go anywhere, but there won't be any long term issues. Don't drive over 100 kph as per the manual.
A mate brought his home from
karumba to
brisbane like that a few years ago.
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Reply By: hotfishez - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 20:17
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 20:17
what is the purpose of removing it? is it a get home fix or something more permanent?
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 20:28
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 20:28
Hi Ray,
They are a Full Time 4WD, and not a AWD, if your talking about the GXL or Sahara,
As gbc said, "You'll need to engage the centre diff to go anywhere"
I removed my front shaft to track down a vibration at 80k's, thinking it was a uni, I disconnected the front shaft, and had no drive. So you will need to engage the centre diff.
Where as the DX or RV models are setup differently with their lock in hubs.
As Alloy c/t questioned, there wont be an error message on the computer.
This is what I love about my old girl, No stupid computer to over ride a work around. Ya gotta love that.
Yes it will handle and drive a lot different, but you'll learn it's limits.
If this is something you want permanently I'd be looking at a
Marks Adapter kit for in 80.
I personally can't justify the the money or time in the conversion, others will have opinions that differ from this this, No Pun intended.
So I'm happy to keep the factory setup.
Ray, you haven't given a lot of info.
Let us know why you may want to remove it and what model 80 you have.
I hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 16:06
Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 16:06
Hi Jon,
I am with you on this. The factory setup is, as you say, just fine. Plenty do the conversion but for what reason escapes me given the conversion price.
These things use fuel to get around and that is that.
Go the 80.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 16:48
Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 16:48
Hi Bruce,
I've driven plenty of 4wd's where you have to lock your hubs in, and I don't like it.
It also feels sure footed, if thats the right way to say it, on greasy or gravel roads. Even when towing through winding gravel or even for that matter on the Black top the steering feels more direct.
I also love it when it's belting down with rain, or if you have forgotten to lock the hubs in and your in the middle of a long boggy section, I don't have to get out and lock hubs in. Were as all the others have to get out and lock'm IN.
I know a few blokes that have done the conversion and they love it. One mate did a trip around
the block towing a camper trailer, he said he really couldn't tell whether it was a benefit or not. Then again his right foot seems to have a brick tied to it times LOL.
So I don't know.
I'm happy to keep
mine the way she is.
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:58
Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:58
Hi Ray,
Rather than remove the front tail shaft why not do the conversion on the front hubs to part time 4WD. This is not an uncommon conversion and parts for this conversion are available almost everywhere, and certainly via ebay.
Much better solution IMHO.
Cheers, Bruce.
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