Brake controller, one for the electrickery gang

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:36
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Hi all

Our Jackaroo came with a substantial amount of extras when we bought it. One item that is there, but we have never used, is a Hayman Reece brake controller, (we have never owned or towed anything with electric brakes).

It is looking more and more likely that we will be buying a van in the not too distant future, with electric brakes, (we have chosen what we want, just haven't said 'yes' yet).

Is there any simple way that I can test the electrics on the brake controller circuit to see if it actually works? I have a multi meter (and a brother that knows how to use one!), but don't know what to check.

It is also looking likely that the Jackaroo will be upgraded soon too, so I dont want to fit a new controller if it's not necessary, especially if the existing one will do the job for a few months.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Dave



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Reply By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:42

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:42
Ooops, should have possibly mentioned that the electrical tow connection is a standard 7 pin flat unit. Sorry, but I know little or nothing about this stuff, I'm just used to hooking up a light weight camper, checking blinkers and stop lights etc are working, then off I go.

Thanks, Dave

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:34

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:34
Pin 5 is the one for power to the brakes so a meter across that and earth will tell you if it works or not.

Providing whoever wired it up did it properly.

Personally I would chuck both the flat plug and put a LARGE ROUND and get a Prodigy Brake controller.

Reason The Large round has much bigger pins to transfer voltage and current.

The Prodigy works on a different principle to the Hayman and is a far better unit.

Would be the most widely used unit by vanners I would think.




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Follow Up By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:43

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:43
Hi Graham

Thanks for that. Yep, I plan on putting the better connection/controller in whatever the replacement for the Jackaroo is, but like I said, it (the Jackaroo) may well be gone a couple of months or so after we pick up the van, so I just want to make sure the existing controller works (not spend money on something I am going to replace).

Thanks again for the advice, Dave

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Follow Up By: Nev (TAS) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:03

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:03
Hi Dave,
Even if you buy a new brake controller you can take it to your new vehicle. I have a Jack too with the Tekonsha P3 Prodigy fitted. As my new van may be over the Jack's 2500kg limit I am also looking elsewhere. I intend to take the unit with me. I had a large 7 pin round plug fitted in parallel with the flat 7 pin unit so covers all my needed situations. Hope you have fun in your new van.
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Follow Up By: Member Bushy 04(VIC) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:24

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:24
I don't see the point with the round plug as when I used them all that happened was problems . been using flat ones for about fifteen years with electric brakes and found them much better.
Personal choice varies from person to person.

Bushy
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:23

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:23
Stands to reason that pins with more surface area will be better.

Perhaps you didnt look after them very well. I have been using mine for two years without problems and have had endless trouble with flat 7s

So there you are.
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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:55

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:55
Hi Graham H,

Mate, I am sort of with you on the pin size thing but I have flat connectors and I have no trouble locking the 4 wheel brakes up on our 2.2 tonne van, if I so desire, with the Tekonsha Protigy so there is no real problem with the flat connectors.

Mind you I bought a large round one because the Anderson plug fitted to the van was not done properly and the pins kept falling out of the back of the socket until I worked out what was wrong and fixed it. I then decided not to use the large round Pin connector and gave it to my nephew.

So round or flat, as far a the electric brakes go, neither is a problem.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:10

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:10
Whatever floats your boat.

You are happy with yours I will stick with mine.

At least you are using a Prodigy.

Just wondering what the pins in the Anderson plug have to do with choice of plug and socket.

I have 8 B&S going to the Fridge and 6 B&S going to the batteries.
Both thru seperate Anderson Plugs

Also have twin 6mm going to pin 5 on the big round for the brakes.

With this type of wiring bigger is definitely better.

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Reply By: blown4by - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:42

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:42
Get a circuit tester, multi-meter or a 12v globe and a piece of electrical cable will do & with the ignition turned on get someone to operate the manual slide control on the unit while you check each terminal at the 7-pin plug outlet to see if one of them supplies a voltage each time the brake controller is operated. If that works then press the brake pedal and see if the same terminal gets a voltage supply every time the brake pedal is pressed. Don't confuse that signal with the terminal that supplies power to the trailer to activate the brake lights which should be the red wire going in to the the trailer plug. There should be fuse in the power supply circuit to the brake controller so be sure to check that if you aren't getting any output before deciding that it is inoperative. Otherwise just connect a friends electric braked trailer to you vehicle, jack up one wheel on the trailer and turn the wheel by hand while someone holds their foot on the brake pedal with the ignition turned on and the wheel should lock.
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Follow Up By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:45

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:45
Hi Blown4by

Thanks for the advice, will check it out.

Thanks, Dave
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Follow Up By: outsider - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:10

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:10
What is the manual slide control used for ?

I have a break controller in my vehicle but have no use for it as I have mechanical brakes, always wondered what the slide was for.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:26

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:26
Hopefully unless you have a Nissan "grenade" you will have a brake controller LOL

The manual control is for emergency stops. EG when rig is trying to swap ends or is fishtailing Use the manual control to stabilise the van without using the car brakes which will accentuate the problem.


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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:51

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 14:51
I have a manual controller with 3 slides.
One controls the intensity, another the strength and another is a manual override.
Automatic brake controllers (strength controlled by the towing vehicles declaration) probably suit most people.
Years ago as a young bloke, I had the living daylights scared out of me when I jack-knifed a trailer at high speed. I want full control on what’s happening on both vehicles brakes and automatic control doesn’t suit me.
Leaving braking systems aside – I don’t like full automatic control on many other systems either – as often you don’t realise you have a problem until it’s too late to avoid damage.
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:46

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:46
I have a Hayman Reece brake controller - controling tandem brakes on 3 tonne van - it works well.
Its voltage when measured at the socket – Max strength is equal to battery voltage and minimum strength setting about 3 volts.
I had a fair bit of trouble with the 12 flat plastic socket, in arduous conditions (lots of red dust and water submersion) and had it replaced it with two cast alloy large 7 pin sockets.
I've had round and flat plastic plugs in the past but they don't stand up to the conditions I use them in.
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:06

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 15:06
Hi Buswackers,

Dave as everybody is advising you, ultimately, go with the Tekonsha Prodigy as they are probably the best given the number of different settings you can program into them. They are not difficult to set up and you can adjust them on the fly as you are traveling along, if needs be.

Just take your time and read the instructions first up and keep a copy in the vehicle to refresh your memory should you need to.

If you set them up with a 4 pin connector just below the unit, you can easily remove them and transfer from one vehicle to another if you so desire.

My nephew talked me into mine and I have not regretted it for one minute.

I paid over $200 for mine many years ago. Still going strong and I would not have anything but electric brakes and i have towed with all sorts of systems for nearly 50 years now.

Cheers, Bruce.
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Reply By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:50

Sunday, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:50
Hi all,

Thanks for all the helpful advice. I will do a couple of the checks to see if the Hayman unit works or not..... but now, after an afternoon discussion with my wife, the Jackaroo may not be going as soon as we were thinking.

So, will probably upgrade to a better connection and controller for when the van is ready, and order the appropriate connection on the van during fit-out.

Thanks heaps for all the advice,

Cheers, Dave
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 11:40

Monday, Nov 01, 2010 at 11:40
Dave

I checked at my 2 local spare parts and 4wd outlet on a price for new prodigy or P3. One price in excess of $300, other $220. Went to ebay, bought exact same brand new P3 for $164 delivered, hopefully here tomorrow or day after. Rather save my money for the other necessities, cheers....
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