LC76 / VDJ76 cruiser - does it have a DPF
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:00
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Sabotoz
Hi All,
There seems to be quite a few owners of the Toyota Land Cruiser VDJ76 D4D V8 4.5L diesel workmate or wagon here in ExploreOz land.
I currently own a Mitsubishi Triton ML 3.2 DID ute, and am thinking of upgrading to a Cruiser VDJ76 wagon.
Appreciate if an owner of a VDJ76 Cruiser can advise if the vehicle has a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), and if so have you had any problems with the DPF?
Thanks in anticipation.
p.s.- I have asked a Toyota dealer who did not seem to have a clue what a DPF is.
Regards
Sabotoz
Reply By: Fab72 - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:33
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:33
"I have asked a Toyota dealer who did not seem to have a clue what a DPF is."...scarey.
That's why they get the big bucks (*rolls eyes*).
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:16
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:16
I could be wrong but I don't believe any of the Toyotas sold in Australia are fitted with a DPF at this point in time - they do have a cat but not the additional DPF. All diesel vehicles manufactured to Euro5 standards do have a DPF eg the Navara D40, the range of Mitsubishi
vehiclesand others of this ilk. Gotta say I now have >50000km on my D40 and no problem with the DPF. The main problem is that people don't read their owner manuals and don't understand how the DPF works....especially consistent slow ie<1800rpm running and the need to lift this periodically to complete a burn.
I would think that it is only a matter of time before all diesel vehicles are fitted with a DPF. These are not new folks they have be fitted to some of the heavy vehicles running around since the late 1980s early 1990s.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:41
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:41
Maybe the Toyotas don't need a DPF. I have a Troopy 2008 V8 diesel - what good will it do this motor?
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:34
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:34
May not do it any 'good' at all...these are a part of the next generation of emission control systems..... As the name implies they capture particulate matter from being expelled through the exhaust and then get rid of this by a 'burn' process. If they become blocked and/or the normal burn process is interrupted for some reason or other...they have to have a 'regen' done by a dealer......more cost here as I believe that a dealer regen is around $300
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Reply By: RobAck - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:35
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:35
They have a diesel particulant filter to comply with Euro4 emission compliance as do all diesel and petrol engines certified to comply with that spec
Regards
RobA
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:25
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:25
Umm.... sorry they don't! They have cats but no DPF's.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Sabotoz - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 14:35
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 14:35
Captain
That's what I don't understand. All new VW, Audi and Mercedes diesel cars now include DPF. new Triton DID & Navara diesel include DPF; so I don't understand why Landcruiser would be exempted from fitting DPF if there is reqt for EURO IV mandatory compliance.
Sabotoz
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 18:58
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 18:58
The Euro standards may not affect Landcruisers as from my memory I don't recall seeing too many running around the autobahns of Europe. Also Australian standards are not yet the same as the Euro standards (I believe they are now Euro 5) so there is no need for Toyota to comply in the Australian market. But folks don't be afraid of these things - they are not black magic just something that engineering science has produced to ensure cleaner air.
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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 22:37
Sunday, Nov 07, 2010 at 22:37
Just looked up some info on Wikipedia
"The EU is to introduce Euro 4 effective January 1, 2008, Euro 5 effective January 1, 2010 and Euro 6 effective January 1, 2014. These dates have been postponed for two years to give oil refineries the opportunity to modernize their plants."
I do not know the time frame for official adoption of Euro V standards in Australia. There was talk of from 2012. As far as I know there has been no decision.
That some importers are supplying Euro V spec vehicles to Australia would have more to do with production economies than anything else. It is likely more expensive to disrupt production runs to remove the DPF for Australia than it is to supply it.
Flynnie
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 00:56
Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 00:56
I have a toyota VDJ 79 with the new V8 and a little research has shown that Toyota has looked into emission control to where test have show the new V8 also exceed euro cert 5 compliance.
The V8 exhaust has two Catalytic converters. Toyota identifies its catalysts as 'diesel oxidation catalyst' system which means it traps available oxygen from exhaust emissions and then uses this to burn soot particles. Refer to this article on 'Diesel emission control: Catalytic filters for particulate removal.'
iopscience.iop.org/1468-6996/8/1-2/A17/pdf/STAM_8_1-2_A17.pdf
The new V8 engine also utilises a
water cooled ERG system which reduces the burn temperature thus greatly reducing the chemicals that form much of the exhaust particles.
Next a quote from toyota specs sheet
"The second generation common rail technology also allows for a quieter combustion process enabling two individual pilot injection strokes of around 1 mm³ quantity ahead of the normal injection stroke, all of which happens within a few milliseconds."
The use of the new (very expensive) injectors and their very fine tolerances means there is very little waste in diesel fuel being individually injected to each cyclinder depending on the vast array of sensor feedback.
It doesn't have a Diesel Particulate filter as such because Toyota has incorporated a system that regenerates itself and burns off the particulates that are formed.
I am not a mechanic but have just had a look around the net for some answers because your question intrigued me as I felt Toyota must have looked at this.
Cheers
David
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Follow Up By: Sabotoz - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 07:31
Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 07:31
Hi David,
Thanks for your research. I guess you're also saying the Toyota user manual for the VDJ79 does not say there is a DPF nor any regeneration cycle.
But the statement "It doesn't have a Diesel Particulate filter as such because Toyota has incorporated a system that regenerates itself and burns off the particulates that are formed." sounds to me like a DPF because the DPF catches the soot and higher pressure differential at both ends of DPF filter triggers more fuel to burn-off (i.e. regenerate the DPF)??
Regards
Sabotoz
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:33
Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:33
Hi Sabotoz
Essentially it means the toyota will not produce harmful chemicals from the exhaust and the engine running as a lean, fuel efficient engine using low sulphur fuel with exhaust passing through the diesel oxidation catalyst will not produce many soot particles. Other cars on the market that do not run as efficiently are required to have a 'Diesel Particulate filter'.
Diesel Particulate filters are known to have problems of blocking up and really messing with the car's efficiency. The types range from regenerating burn types to disposable foam types.
Cheers
David
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Reply By: Rod W - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 15:13
Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 15:13
Whilst we on this technical stuff does any have or know of the availability of workshop manuals of the VDJ 70 series or just the engine V8 4.5 lt diesel. Thanks in advance
Rod
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:03
Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:03
Hi Rod
You can only buy a CD manual these days and it seems to be the way with lots of other cars as
well.
Any toyota dealer will have the manual (CD) through parts at around $150 and it covers all the 70 series from 2001 up to the air bag V8.
Part number is SC0580E or some variation of the last letter. The 'E' I think it the latest one and ealier ones hand 'A' or 'B' as the last letter.
A lot of spare parts desks at Toyota dealers will deny this manual exists but just give them the part number and they will get it in.
When you put the CD in it will say you can only use it on a Windows computer running the latest software. I have an Apple. for the Mac users just ignore the warnings and go straight to the 'index3.html' and it will launch normally using firefox or safari or whatever.
After that I painstakingly went through the entire CD and copied off just the V8 70 series data to make my own CD of just the info I needed. Not perfect as the have used a combination of HTML pages and scanned PDF pages that are hyperlinked. I still have to go over the data multiple times and still find irrelevant stuff or sometimes it is relevant but just applies to all models. Bit of an ongoing task I set for myself.
Cheers
David
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