Who's done the Gunbarrel?

I am interested in hearing from anyone who has driven from Ayers Rock on the Gunbarrel Highway in the last year or so. Could a woman and 4 kids in a stock standard Nissan Patrol towing an offroad camper do this trip? Any advice would be most welcome. We did the Old Telegraph Track on Cape York this year with no problems.
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Reply By: Member - John - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 16:45

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 16:45
Frances, Short answer,Yes. Drove from Mangkilli Claypan to Ayers Rock in Sept towing a trailer, just after 50mm or so of rain, was interesting in places, but "do able ", lots of corrugations in places, but not too bad. Make sure your Nissan and trailer suspension is in bloody good nick and you should be right. Have a great trip. John
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 16:52

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 16:52
I did it last year, although the corrugations are relentless it wsn't overly difficult.
However, I hope you don't intend doing it as a single vehicle, it is quite remote.
Also, make sure that your camper trailer suspension isn't too heavily sprung, as the contents will be damaged if it is.
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Follow Up By: Frances - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:12

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:12
shaker, would I need to put a treg hitch on the trailer?

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:15

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:15
You may be OK with a standard ball coupling, some of the washouts are reasonably deep, so it might be prudent to fit an off road style coupling.
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 18:36

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 18:36
Hi Frances

I have not been through that area in a while, but live in an area with quite similar roads, though ours get consiuderably worse sometimes.

The advice you have been given so far is very relevant. Please keep in mind that once people have been through wet or damp unsealed roads there are ruts in the road. Depending on the original state of the road, there may be small stones, quite sharp ion these ruts, which can quickly cut your tyre walls, if travelling at any speed, so slowly is always best if your are not sure.

I would, with all sincerity, recommend that you try and link up with at least one other vehicle travelling, just for safety sake. That is no comment on your own ability, as I am very seasoned on rough driving, and prefer travelling with others if I can.

Have a great trip, and good on you for showing your children the country.

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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 20:21

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 20:21
Hi Frances. The section from Mungilli to Wiluna is a doddle.

Haven't been east from Mungilli but I'm guessing that there will be far less traffic on the Gunbarrel than the CY track (or for that matter, the CSR).

I would do it as a single vehicle journey with my wife, but I have HF radio and will soon be getting a satphone. The absolute bare minimum in comms is an epirb but fire an epirb off and it will be treated as a grade A emergency, even if your situation isn't that bad.

Without HF at minimum, there's no way I'd be going single vehicle with 4 kids in tow. The central desert tracks are seriously remote and often lonely.

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Follow Up By: Frances - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:11

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:11
Hi John, I am going to get a satphone but could also buy an epirb. I will find someone at Yulara to travel across with and yes I would imagine there would be less traffic than on Cape York - that was like a freeway when we were there!! thanks for your advice.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 20:25

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 20:25
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:22

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:22
Good post Stephen.

That makes the point: "FOUR DAYS AND JUST ONE CAR!"

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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:55

Monday, Nov 08, 2010 at 21:55
Hi Frances
It all depends what you call the Gunbarrel?...

1 Are you referring the Great Central from Yulara via Giles, Warburton and Laverton?

2 Are you referring tp the track a little south of Giles, taking the original route of the Gunbarrel, now referred to as the Old Gunbarrel, past Mt Beadell and on the Wiluna?

If you are referring to Number 1, this is a very well travelled road with some great stops along the way and you will never be alone on this main road.

If you are referring to Number 2, then you will not be issued a permit to travel solo, as the Old Gunbarrel section requires a minimum of 2 vehicles and a maximum of 5 vehicles in any one party for the section from Giles to past Jackie Junction. You can get to Mt Beadell via the Heather Highway without a permit but unless you are a very well experienced remote outback traveller and know how to drive to some very good corrugated sections, I would put this off as a matter of safety.

The Great Central road has lots to offer with a true remote outback feel, but far better for a solo traveller.

I hope this helps you out.

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Follow Up By: Frances - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:14

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:14
Hi Stephen, my goal is the Old Gunbarrel and i will find someone at Yulara to travel with. Do you know about fuel though? What is the longest stretch without diesel being available to purchase?

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:19

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:19
Fuel shouldn't be an issue, it is available at Warakurna (Giles), Docker River, Warbuton & Carnegie Station.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 13:26

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 13:26
Hi Frances
The Old Gunbarrel is a great track to drive and not hard, with the exception if it is wet, then it is another story. As for permits, that could be the sticking point. We we have done it (2 times) we had to state how many vehicles were in the convoy at the time of applying and their names. This permit is not issued straight away and goes to the Communities who's land this passes through and took about 3 weeks to be approved. In this way you may get declined, as you will not know who you will be travelling with and the other people would not have enough time to apply.

You will require 3 separate travel permits for that section, and all are free.
The first one will get you from Yulara to the NT / WA Border and is from the Central Lands Council in Alice Springs and no restrictions on how many are in your party, they just require your make and registration number of your vehicle and the names of all those in your vehicle.

The second permit that does have a time frame of 3 days is from the DIA in Perth, but apply on line. This is for the WA side of the Border for the Great Central Road section, again requiring your Make and vehicle registration number and the names of those in the vehicle. Again no vehicle restrictions and the approval will be sent back, some times immediately by return email, if not by the next day.

The third permit is for the Abandoned Section or the Old Gunbarrel, where they list the requirement (Again from the DIA Web site permit section and free) This section clearly states about safety issues, eg must have a Sat Phone of HF for in the event of an emergency and the number of vehicles.

As for fuel, only you will know how far you can go on a tank full of diesel. Your last chance to refuel will be Warakurna (Giles) and if you have the range, then Wiluna will be your next refuel. If you feel that you will not be able to get through, then after leaving Jackie Junction you head west and about 47 kilometres up this track, head south to Warburton to refuel. This track will bring you about 2 kilometres east of Warburton, turn right and head straight to the Roadhouse to refuel. From here you have 2 options, firstly go back the way you have driven in from and then continue past Mt Samuel, Mt Beadell etc to Wiluna. If you do not want to back track, head out on the Great Central Road for 42 Kilometres, then head north where the sign post reads:Wiluna via Heather Highway and Tjirrkarli 100.

There is some unreal country out there and you will see why it gets you in. In the heavy corrugations, drop your tyre pressure right down (Around the 20 psi range and a couple of psi lower on the camper, slow down and take in the great scenery. There are countless great camping opportunities.

Drive safely

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Follow Up By: Frances - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 15:01

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 15:01
Thanks Stephen that is useful information. I can usually get 700km out of the Patrol's tanks when I'm towing the camper trailer - I'll just have to do my homework. The second car could be an issue because we like to be independent and do our own thing. (Does anyone actually ASK to see the permits out there??) Also we copped our fair share of corrugations on the Development Road on Cape York on the way south so I'm guessing we won't hit anything worse than what we copped up there - or will we? Also what about food? Can we get anything more than tinned food at the places on the way?
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 19:50

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2010 at 19:50
Hi Frances
I have never been personally asked for permits for any of our travels over the years. A few years ago we asked that very question to some Police that we were talking to in Laverton, and their reply was that they have far more important business to do than check permits. The Policeman then went on to say that the only time he had personally changed a person with that offence was when one tourist went into the Warburton Community, which is closed to the public, was very drunk, carrying alcohol, and started a fight with the locals. The Police threw the book at him, including having his vehicle impounded and one of his charges was for not having any permits.

As for your fuel consumption I would not take the chance if that is only your range. It is better to be safe than sorry. You can still access the Abandoned section via the Heather Highway which is a good run and no permit restrictions. The worst of the corrugations are south of Mt Beadell to the Wiluna Shire Boundary, west of Geraldton Bore. From then on the tracks are usually in quite good condition. The best store that we have found is at the Roadhouse at Warburton, which usually has a very good range of supplies, including frozen bread, frozen meat and fresh fruit - just what you crave after some time in the bush.

Some more information for you.

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