hand brake problem on 80 series! is there a fix?
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 22:55
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Member - G N (VIC)
Hi all
Hand brake on 80 is terrible. We have had it looked at / adjusted but dont seem to get anywhere.
When you first apply, it feels like its tight and ok but if you apply a slight bit of forward motion, it does not hold in the least and then the lever is no longer tight and you can then pull it up another few clicks, it will then hold ok as long as you apply it quite hard.
So its a trap and could be dangerous.
Does anyone have any ideas please?
Regards
GN
Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 23:08
Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 23:08
Ha!! I had an 80 series for about 10 years - and it is the only thing I dont miss about it!!!
My sister once borrowed it and woke up the next morning with it parked across the road. There are also numerous photos of them floating at boat ramps.....
I tried numerous times to fix it and spent a farirfew $$ doing so - but gave up in the end - when launching the boat I used 1st gear low, and kept it in gear whenever it was parked - but it did give me the bleep s!!!!
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Reply By: 93 Navara - Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 23:51
Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 23:51
Google Autocraft at
Geelong Vic as they do an upgrade that gets a lot of good writeups on landcruiser forums.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:12
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:12
Hi 93 Navara
yes i had come across this and was hoping someone would giive it the thumbs up
thanks
GN
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Reply By: Member Dick (Int) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:36
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:36
Peter Koning at Hoppers Stoppers has a kit to put the handbrake on the tailshaft at the back of the Transfer Case. It works very
well.
Dick
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:10
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:10
Hey Dick
sound like a good fix but i guess pricey!
might try the other mod 1st.
thanks for info
'
GN
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:52
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:52
Have you checked the brake pads inside the drum /disk and the drum itself , they get GLAZED and no amount of adjustment will give a decent grip ,roughen up the pads and deglaze the inside of the drum for starters.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:12
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:12
Hi Alloy
Not sure, i have ionly had our service bloke look at it, as i have been too busy myself, but he is pretty good and fussy usually.
will checki it out though
thanks
GN
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:57
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:57
How worn are the handbrake shoes?
I've had 4 Landcruisers now with a drum in rear disk handbrake, and I find they need a tighter adjustment than what the manuals say (tighten the star wheel up as tight as it will go, then only back it off 3 notches instead of the 8 notches it says in the manual).
They seem to loosen by themselves - they are usually loose by 10-15 notches when they don't work.
Mine get adjusted every 10-15k.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:20
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:20
Thanks Phil
will try before going further.
love the Tvan
Regards
GN
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02
Hi GN,
Hmm, Have you had a look inside the drum? They can over time clog up with crap/dust.
Is the hand brake lever coming to the end of it's travels? if so it maybe in need of new shoes or adjusting them out a bit more. a pretty easy job to do.
Sit her on stands, remove rear
wheels, there is a rubber plug on the dics, remove it, spin axle till the hole is at the bottom. Insert a blade screwdriver and turn the toothed wheel a half turn, this will spread the shoes a bit more. Do this to both sides till you can just hear it scraping the drum. If you are keen, remove the disc brake assembly and clean out any crap, you will see how it all works by doing this.
This can take just over an hour to do. It may make a difference, As others have mention they are a PITA on the 80, and there are upgrade kits available for them.
I just recently adjusted
mine, and it made a world of difference, I feel a lot safer now hand brake parked on a steep track now.
Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:25
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:25
Good info
seems a bit more of try worth while before going further eh
thankss Hairs and Fysh
rgards
GN
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 14:47
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 14:47
Hi GN,
If you don't have a manual, please download one from here.
PDF Manuals
You'll find the above picture on page BR-57
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 16:40
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 16:40
That's an excellent explanation of how to do it.
Cheers Mate.
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14
put it in 1st gear when you pull up and if the slopes steep chuck it in low range
- never leave it running when you get out on a slope
- problem fixed
i havnt had a working hanbrake for many years and its never been an issue
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:21
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:21
i know what you mean, i had a HQ 1 tonner for years like that but it does give you the pip at times
regards
GN
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:01
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:01
Had a HZ Kingswood auto kinda like that.
The passenger had to get out and place a brick under the wheel.
Wasn't to bad when we went surfing with a bunch of us, but it made this difficult when I was on my own and I could find a gutter to rest up against.
Funny how some on here bring back fond memories LOL
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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:28
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:28
"When you first apply, it feels like its tight and ok but if you apply a slight bit of forward motion, it does not hold in the least and then the lever is no longer tight and you can then pull it up another few clicks, it will then hold ok as long as you apply it quite hard. "
Put some new discs on it, the handbrake drum on the inside becomes conical in shape from wear and expanding application of handbrake shoes.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Monday, Nov 15, 2010 at 15:26
Monday, Nov 15, 2010 at 15:26
Hi Andrew
You maybe right?
when you say conical, you mean the ID of the drum section so to speak is wider one side than the other?
wheh i started writing i thought you mean oval and then i was going to say you would feel it pulse through the lever if lightly applied while moving slow, but i have got it now i think
thanks GN
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Reply By: Member - Josh (TAS) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 18:44
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 18:44
Brings back memories. Had ours looked at many times on our trip around oz. Was good for a week and that was it. 4 weeks before we sold it we finally got it fixed. It was funny cause we put it in for a service and the guy said "I fixed your hand brake for you". I thanked him and thought yeah right.
Well the next week I rang him and thanked him and asked what he did. He did what is mentioned above. Everyone else just wound up the adjustment which only works short term.
Josh
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Reply By: Von Helga - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:51
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:51
GN
That's a known feature on the 80s and not much better on the 100s.
DONOT rely on your handbrake, particularly in the bush.
Cheers
Trevor
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 20:28
Sunday, Nov 14, 2010 at 20:28
Second that.
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