Hema Navigator 5 warranty problems.

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Hi, we purchased our Hema Nav 5 after reading lots of glowing reports here on ExploreOz, mounted it high, (above the rear view mirror), ran the charge USB to Mini USB cable down behind the trim and plugged it into the cig lighter (power turns off when ignition is off).
We used Ozy explorer and planned our 90 day trip to Cape York and set off happy as can be. However when as we got close to home it started to not work sometimes. The unit would not recharge fully, it seemed as though it was not getting very much charge at all as it would go black even when still plugged in and the ignition on. Everything checked out with the multi meter , the cig lighter and the cable all had 12v. However the small green/red LED light was very rarely seen and we never got more than two hours before a black out. We knew where the Great Central Highway went so we let it charge for half a day turned off but plugged in with power to recharge and tried it during our last hours drive and it still only lasted half an hour, loose connection for sure.
Now here is where we apparently went wrong. We wriggled the cable where it went into the side of the Hema to see if we could get the LED to go on, had some luck but it would not stay on. Got home (found our way home from Laverton OK) and went up to the local Map store and purchased a new USB lead. Installed it and no difference. Emailed Hema with enquiry re warranty and only a form letter type reply came promising someone would get back to us – a week later no call. Took the unit to the map shop, they sent it to Hema, Four weeks later (after many telephone calls from me including a call to Hema) I was told the unit was broken, can’t be fixed but if I pay them $300.00 it could be sent to China for a new motherboard and would take another month.
I said I had paid $950.00 and did not wish to pay more and I had in no way broken the unit, I explained how it was on its bracket in the Jeep for the whole three months we owned it and if it cannot be fixed under warranty please send it back and we will have a local technician look at it.
Two weeks later it was still not back in our hands and we are going away soon so I rang and was told it was sent to China and no one knew when it would be returned to me to pay the $300.00.
This is when I got a little cross and contacted consumer affairs here in WA. I informed the map shop and Hema that I would not let this matter go and passed on the info to consumer affairs. That was four days ago and yesterday the map shop rang me to come up and get a new Hema Navigator 5.
As I said, where we went wrong was we told the man in the map shop we had tried everything including wriggling the old cable and purchasing the new cable, he apparently told Hema, and that gives them the perfect out of the warranty.
Have to be happy I suppose at least we now have a navigator that works again, bit disappointed that I have lost 21,000klms of data and saved trip (bread crumb trails). All my settings, I have to read up on how to set up the new one.
I suggest you Hema Nav 5 owners have a close look at the little USB port on the side and the way the cable sticks straight out, and be super careful you don’t bump the plug as apparently it is very easy to break the plug off the mother board inside? It could cost you a month or two without your Navigator and $300.00.!!
Steve M.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:33

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:33
Hi Steve
Sorry to hear that you have had real bad luck with your HN5. I can only sing praise for the unit and have had no problems at all, including a week of very good corrugations on the Anne Beadell.

As for loosing your track data, your unit should be treated just like any computer software. After our trips, I remove the micro SD card, connect the card to the computer with the supplied SD Card adapter and make a complete back up copy of the cards contents for safe keeping and keep another files just for the track files for that very reason. If you are also using Ozi on another computer, you can load your track files and also save them in Ozi also.

All the best with your new unit.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mawso (WA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:44

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:44
Yes....back up, where have I heard that before? oh yeah just after my PC crashed and I lost all that trip planning data for the trip before the last one....you think a bloke would learn!


Corrugations were mentioned as a possible cause of the fault but Hema quickly backed out of that conversation considering that the Navigator is meant for 4x4 use off road!

We had weeks of corrugations and the Jeep short wheel base Wrangler is not to comfy on the corrugations so it may have been some of the problem.

We will never know - unless it happens again! We are planning a Simpson crossing followed by the Anne Beadell to get home to Perth for next May so we will see.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:00

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:00
Hi Steve
I should have also mentioned that they could not use the excuse of your new power cord, as after all it is a standard Mini B cable that is a standard size fitting. Also the suction mount would also acts as a way of taking some of the vibration out of the bracket.

All the best and have a great trip next year.

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Reply By: Member - Jeff P (SA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:40

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:40
I too am surprised, I had a similar problem (almost word for word) with my 1st generation Hema, faulty cable though not the unit, rang Hema direct and it was in the post the next day no questions asked, and it was out of warranty but they still covered it as it had been an issue with that model.
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Reply By: garrycol - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:57

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 20:57
I have a 5" cheap chinese GPS that operates Tom Tom and Oziexplorer. I suspect the innards are similar to the Hemma ($95 vs $950).

On my last trip outback the poor mount allowed the whole system to bounce around a lot and eventually I started to get symptoms like you had - at the end of the trip I had to hold to charging cable in a particular position to charge the battery - basically useless.

When I got home I took it to a mobile phone repairer in the local shopping mall. The USB port had come away from the motherboard - caused by the charging/power cable bouncing around and stressing the connections - I now have the cable taped to the GPS so there is no stress.

The repairer soldered in a new usb port and resoldered some dry joints - cost me $50 and it now works fine.

However there was no warranty on mine - if yours was only 3 months old the warranty should have been straight forward - not an issue.

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Reply By: The Explorer - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:07

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:07
"the cig lighter and the cable all had 12v."

Most likely a typo but it should only be 5V at the end of the USB cable. If you pump 12V into it the magic smoke will escape:)

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Follow Up By: Member - Mawso (WA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 22:00

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 22:00
You are correct the cig socket showed 13.4 volts (12 volts) and the light on the cable that fitted in it was lit.
The multitest found 5v Dc on two pins in the small end of the plug. So we did correctly diagnose the problem seemed to be inside the almost new Hema Navigator 5 that we just paid nearly one thousand dollars for.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 01:08

Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 01:08
Imagine how Qantas feels...:) Even "expensive" things fail.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mawso (WA) - Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 14:00

Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 14:00
Yes but Rolls Royce wont argue warranty.....I had to go to the law to get Hema to correct a faulty part. Eleven emails , six phone calls, fill in and lodge a consumer protection complaint form and threaten small claim action to finally get action.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 14:23

Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 14:23
Sorry - thought you were talking about why a $1000 bit of brand new gear broke. As I said even expensive things fail (though you would hope not very often). Warranty is separate issue. Not knowing both sides of te story can really comment on that. Seems a bit strange you had so much trouble though.

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Reply By: Flynnie - Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:16

Friday, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:16
Steve

I have one of the first of the Hema Navigator 5s (HN5). It was a replacement for a 4.3 unit that had failed last year. It has worked perfectly so far. Trips with the HN5 include CSR and Simpson Desert.

I can relate to the lost data story. The 4.3 model gave me a similar experience last year when I lost all my data. Because I remain a little sceptical of the reliability of electronic gadgets in general after last year I do not use the HN5 to record data. I think I have done 3 waypoints only. Sort of a once bitten twice shy reaction.

My experience of the HN5 has been very positive. No problems with vibrations. Not sure if it can handle full summer sun coming through the windscreen. Likely I won't try that out as the extreme heat would likely be an unfair test and it is out of warranty.

If I was to have the usb connector come loose I would try a local repair from an electronics repair place and if that failed would write off the unit. With this stuff there are always new models coming out and $300 would be better spent on that.


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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 01:04

Saturday, Nov 20, 2010 at 01:04
Hi

Interesting philosophy - not saving data just in case it’s not saved :)

Anyway - best course of action is to save to the SD card. Most “lost data” issues relate to storing directly to the internal memory of the device (relates to all devices not just HN) or user error (most common). If the device has a spasm the internal memory can be corrupted but the memory card is generally left unadulterated (exceptions of course but far less common). Saving to the SD card won’t solve the user error issue but will almost totally eliminate the first issue.

OziCe has a good track save option where it will automatically save each days/weeks/months track file (you choose time) to designated folder. No user input require. When you get home download the files from the SD card. Waypoints are different – make sure you set the configuration to save the waypoints to a folder on the SD card.

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Reply By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 19:15

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 19:15
Hi Steve,
I have also had trouble with my Hema Nav 5 on a recent remote trip.
The problem was also with the Mini USB socket. Taping it to the body helped for a while but it eventually failed permanently.
On inspection at home the problem was not with mounting to the circuit board but with the pins within the USB socket. I have never liked those Mini USB plugs so decided to forego a warranty claim and have repaired it myself by soldering a cable directly to the circuit board with a full-sized USB plug in the cable end. I feel much more secure now. But I acknowledge that this modification is not for everyone.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mawso (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:07

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:07
G'day Allen,

Its just as well you fixed it yourself. They would have told you , as they told me, it was a user caused fault and you would have waited a month to be told you will not get it fixed under warranty. Pretty bad customer service if you ask me.

Looking at that plug and the way the lead comes straight out (instead of turning back at 90 degrees like other brands) does make it more prone to damage from normal use. I am not sure this product is up to 4x4 off road service and I will wrap the new plug in electrical insulation tape for the next trip. $ 950.00 is a lot of money to pay for a product that is sold as an off road track navigator and is so easily broken when the going gets rough.

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Reply By: Member - Mawso (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 14:00

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 14:00
We have just about given up on the Hema 5.

They finally gave us a new one last week, we went home and charged it all night, clipped it in the holder yesterday, to head out on our trip, turned it on and.......it stalls on the opening screen. No matter what we do it will not go past the opening screen (the one with the words HEMA and the picture of the 4x4 charging across the sandy desert) it will not go further showing us the three choices of programmes. It just sits frozen for about 5 minutes then goes black for 3 seconds and then the same screen comes back on.

We have turned it off, waited a few seconds and on again (the windows PC solution to everything) we have recharged it overnight for 12 hours, we have pushed the reset button on the back. We tried everything and it just sits on that opening screen.

We only made it as far as Bunbury and now are heading back to Perth to exchange it for another one. I am not sure it’s worth the worry, if they would give me back my $950.00 I think I would go back to paper maps exclusively.
Has anyone had any dealings with the VMS unit, that appears to do the same job as the Hema, we would be hoping for better quality control or are they all made in China? Probably at the same factory. What about the cheap Chinese touch screen palm tops running O E ?

I just can’t beleive our bad luck!!!
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:16

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:16
We have a Seeka from the Map Shop in Adelaide. At $799 with a 7" display and all the maps plus some other apps, they apparently struggle to keep up supply as they get snapped up by 4wd club members - when one gets a unit, all the rest want one to! :-)
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