Custom Drawers/Cupboard Fabrication for Fourbies

Hi all, I'm thinking about taking out the second row seat from the Landcruiser and installing storage in its place.

Any tips for WA fabricators in ali or ply who could do a decent job.

Also, opinions on 'ali vs ply' also will be very welcome.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:49

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:49
John, Have you designed anything as yet or analysed just what your needs are for rear storage. Having had a black widow rear seat storage system in the Patrol since the word go, I can highly recommend it particularly with the types of trips you’re doing of late.

Personally, I would design something according to my needs and then take it to a few local engineering works for quotes. Are you intending to run it through from the back into the passenger area like a troopy system or utilise it as a separate area from the rear and access it through the back passenger doors? What ever you use, ensure that you factor in a safety barrier between the back area and the front seats. Crucial for safety of driver and FSP.

I’ve had drawers folded up in steel sheet for a drawer system in the rear of the Navara and used 200kg roller drawer slides from Haeffle. These were welded onto a tube frame and then topped with ply and auto carpet. Worked well and for a bit of effort was a damn site cheaper than your average drawer system. There are also outfits that will make custom drawers to suit (Try Jim I suppose). Ali is good but I’d recommend getting it powder coated as well.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:18

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:18
Hi Mick, I've come to this only very recently as Toyota had told me that removing the seat wasn't possible due to airbag issues. However after reading threads on LCOOL and seeking informal advice from a Toyota mechanic contact, I am now confident that there is a 'safe' fix.

So, as cost is an option, I don't want to come at this from a zero base position.

I already have a well functioning drawers installation behind the second row backed up with a cargo barrier. If I can't move the cargo barrier fwd (haven't asked the installers yet) I'm simply going to 'design/have designed for me' a set up for the void created by the seat removal. So access it only from the rear pass. doors or from the front seats.

Thks for the tips.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Quadlux - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 14:51

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 14:51
Hi John,
The Barrier that sits behind the driveres set is different to the one from the back. I have one sitting in my shed (last 3 yrs) if you would like to measure up. (Henderson WA)
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 18:53

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 18:53
Strange I used two identical Milford barriers and a genuine Milford fitting kit with no troubles at all.

Milford actually only list ONE for the 100ser except for the hlf height one for over drawers.

The only difference is the length of the mounting arms.
At the rear they mount into new holes in the floor and from the front use the long arms for the same.
If mounted at the front they have slightly differently bent arms to fit around the grab handles.

They should never be mounted onto the child seat mounting captive nuts in the rear floor.
I can supply the genuine mounting instructions for both the pre 2002 and the later models if you want them.



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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 21:30

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 21:30
Thanks for that offer Craig - much appreciated. But not needed - I chkd with my installer this morning and they can move my existing barrier.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:50

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:50
Ill start the war.

Be aware that if you take out your second row seats for any length of time you must get an engineers certificate and a blue plate.
I took mine out for 20 months and had to do it.

It is illegal to remove any seats that are bolted down, without changing the registration to suit.

I had to get the plate and take the papers to Qld Roads and get the reg certificate change to 2 seater. When I replaced them I had to get another plate and go back and get it made into an 8 seater again.

Be aware that if you go for a roadworthy without the correct seats you can be refused as some have found out when they have disposed of the third row and have problems.

I have a 12mm ply floor i made and it was attached to the cargo barrier I had right behind front seats It was level with the rear floor and the barrier was attached to a couple of the seat mount nuts with the same weight flat iron that came with the cargo barrierI sat the barrier on some 3 x 2 1/2 with a groove in the top and it sat there nicely for the whole time.
Here is the answer I got regarding what to do when replacing the seats

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After a discussion on a forum I would like to know the correct answer to the following.

In 2008 I removed the back two rows of seats in my Cruiser making it into a 2 seater.

I took it to an engineer and got it approved and a blue plate attached to the firewall.

In feb 2010 I replaced the seats and took it to the same engineer who approved it and put a SECOND blue plate on it

I said why not just take the old one off. HE said every time you make a change it has to be plated and the plate has to remain on the vehicle.

Another person on the Forum who is in an inland city maintains his engineer says to REPLACE as in take the old one off and put a new one on.

Both times mine was done I took it to the RTA who looked at them and changed papers to suit.

So who is correct please

The Dept reply

Thank you for your email of 10 June 2010, regarding Modification Plates.
The Departments apologises for the delay in responding.

If the owner of a vehicle which has been modified requires the vehicle to be returned to an original or build standard, (eg; return to the original seating capacity), on completion of the work a Modification Certificate must be issued. There should be at least 2 modification plates affixed to the vehicle.

The modification plate certifying the original modification.
The more recently dated plate reverting the vehicle to the earlier build standard.


Cost me $60 each time.

Hope that helps

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:21

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:21
No flames from me Graham.

Thks for the info; I was sort of aware that Qld is different from various forums. I'm not sure about WA either but in general the regulators seem easier going over here. I'll make enquiries.

Also, thks for your build info.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:35

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:35
I think you will find its the same pretty much nationally.

You are allowed to take them out TEMPORARILY. My engineer said NO NOT NEVER.

The Miford cargo barrier has forward mounting points in the instructions

If you remove the grab handles above the rear doors and the trim there are little punch marks where the holes are to be drilled.

Similar above rear windows for rear installation.

A fitting kit if you dont have one is about $79 from TJM or similar.

Should use one as it has all the correct backing plates etc.

I just made longer arms to connect to the barrier as the standard ones are made to fit behind the seats when rolled forward.
My barrier fitted just under the rearmost light in the roof console.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:44

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:44
Thks again Graham.

For me I suspect it will be temporary until I sell it :-)

I'm not sure what brand my barrier is other than it's def. not a Milford. I'll chk with the supplier/install guys for possibilities.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:56

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:56
Temp by Qld was defined as for a weekend trip or similar.


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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:23

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:23
It's a QLD thing.

No engineers approval or plate required in WA.

Just a strong back to lift the seats out. They weigh a ton.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 09:22

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 09:22
May be its not have a read of these two publications


http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/20500.asp

That says OPTIONAL MANUFACTURER seating otherwise refer to Dotars as below


http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP7_Section_LK_Seating_and_Occy_Protection_3Feb2006.pdf

The modification rule is LK1 on page 8 of the above document.





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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 17:52

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 17:52
You're spot on Graham.

I've just spoken to the main man at the Tech Support Branch of the WA Dept of Transport and he confirms that the seat needs to be taken out by a licensed operator for the purposes of form LK1 and that I will then need to have DoT issue a compliance certification.

Looks like any 'do it yourself mods' done in WA are illegal.

I'd have a re-think Stephen?

Not very happy.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 18:47

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 18:47
I'm sure I saw the word "permanent" in that article Graham linked to.

My middle row of seats only come out on a temporary basis.

While away I put a floor extension in their place and put the seats back in when we come home.

I'm certainly not going to get an engineer's certificate every time I want to do that.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 19:04

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010 at 19:04
Yes it does but they define Temporay as a SHORT time Like a weekend.

My engineer said when he took the course to be able to certify this he was told it means in ALL cases no weekends no nothing It needs a plate.

However you do what you like (as a lot do).

It will however maybe come back to bite you should you have an accident and the copper has a look at your registration sticker (which you now dont have in WA) a very forward thinking state. Im sure.

How do they tell who has registration or not. Bad enough here where they still have them.

If he looks it up and its listed as an 8 seater and only has two you may be classed as unroadworthy.

You are also supposed to remove the seatbelts so someone cant sit on the floor and use them, but in a 100 the inners are on the seats so its OK

I took my own out and just took it around to him and got the plate.

However when I put them back I didnt have the 3rd row seats and he said naughty naughty You should have them all. Mine were in a 53cm storage shed at the time LOL.

Entirely up to you gut I fessed up and said it was for at least a year so had to do it. No probs was easy to do and now I have matching blue plates on the firewall. Only cost $120 to be legal and not have to worry.

LOL

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Reply By: Rod W - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 22:49

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 22:49
Since 1998 I've have a 75 series Troopy RV version it came with 3 person bench seat in the back. In 1999 I did exactly what you want to do now John. I made/installed two full lenght drawers (2m long) x 300mm high. I made them from 12mm structural ply and I made my own roller bearing drawer runners. They have always worked a treat. A couple of months ago the Troopy was involved in a roll over to which the drawers survived un-scathed (one of the drawers was half filled with recovery equipment - tirfor, cable, straps, shackles etc. I've since removed the drawers from the 75 series and probably over the xmas break I'll be installing them in the new 78 series.

I kept a track of the costs when I made the drawers which also included replacing the flimsy upholstered sidewall panels with 12mm ply to which the total was around $900 material only.

So John I'd go for ply (cause I can work it myself) and if you can make it yourself.
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:03

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:03
Thks Rod.

I'd like to have a shoofty. I'll email you.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:20

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 23:20
Yep sure no problems, but in my email address change dtf to bmw
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