Best Small Outboard Motor

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 at 22:47
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Guys, it has been many years since I last bought & ran a small capacity OB and no doubt things have changed over the last 25 years...back then Tohatsu & Yamaha were pretty good things, but need your experiance concerning the current crop. Am looking to buy a new 8 HP 2 stroke and friends who run an 8HP Mercury reckons it get them out of the hole pretty quick and has the extra poke when coming home into the teeth of wind & waves....hull size is around the 10.5 - 11ft mark....would consider a demo version or low hours unit.
Advice & comment please

Frank
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Reply By: disco driver - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 01:22

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 01:22
Hi Seniorcit,
If you're buying new, take your pick from all the common makes.
IMHO the only thing to worry about with any of the modern motors is how close is the nearest authorised service centre, Merc, Yam and Mariner seem to be the most common round this area (SW of WA).

Disco.
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Reply By: Muntoo - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 03:57

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 03:57
''friends who run an 8HP Mercury reckons it get them out of the hole pretty quick and has the extra poke when coming home into the teeth of wind & waves'' i dont mean to be rude or anything mate, but that sounds funny. I have never experienced an 8hp with any poke.

If it was my money, i would be going Yamaha. By far the best of the best, but the others are great also. Its kind of like the Waeco vs Engel debate really. Mercury or Yamaha are my picks mate.
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Reply By: Wilko - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 08:04

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 08:04
Hi Frank,

Depending on your needs I like the usual Mercury/ Yammie, but if you dont need all the bells and whistles look at the force or the Tohatsu.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 08:58

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 08:58
I am no expert with outboards but have noticed one major factor in choosing a new one.

I have a 15HP 2 stroke Merc which has plenty of poke and more importantly runs very smoothly. This motor I think is a twin cylinder design.
I also have a 4HP 4 stroke Yamaha which is OK but produces a noticable vibration.
This is not due to a "fault" in the outboard, but simply the fact that the single cylinder design is not as balanced as a twin.
I noticed the same vibration in a 4HP 2 stroke Merc I onced borrowed for a trip where a restriction on HP size was required.

Whatever the HP size, a twin (or multi) cylinder design with give a far smoother ride than a single cylinder jobbie.


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Reply By: tdv - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 09:41

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 09:41
I agree with the others, if buying new or near new any brand is pretty good and reliable these days. One thing I like about the merc though is the gear shifts built into the throttle twist grip. Excellent when crabbing as you never need to turn around to find the gear lever and only need one hand to operate leaving the other free to pick up the rope.
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Reply By: gbc - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:08

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:08
For me there is only one choice in that price range. Tohatsu 8.5 h.p. weighs 26 k.g. and has by far the most output per k.g.

I'm not as young as I used to be and I do use my car topper a bit, and had a 60 k.g. honda 15 previously.

If it was on a trailer and did more miles I'd look at a fourstroke, but fourstrokes and heavy two's are a PITA as cartopper engines.
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Follow Up By: blackmax - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:57

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:57
gbc, the Tohatsu is 8hp not 8.5hp and since 2000 the Mercury and Tohatsu use the same engine powerhead.The Merc model 8hp is made out of a very low copper content Aluminium Alloy which makes for best corrosion protection in salt water use.
I have a 8hp Merc on my 2.7 Metre inflatable and it does get up and going very well with me, the missus and dog along with our essky and fishing gear.
Mercury has the most extensive dealer network around Australia, so good for us travellers.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 15:07

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 15:07
Sorry, brain explosion - it is actually 9.8 h.p. for 26 k.g.'s and it's a ripper.
I had an m8a for 20 years and got confused - never needed the dealer in that time.
I also have a mercury 135 h.p. optimax on my other fishing boat - I'll never own merc again.
I agree the base merc 8 is a rebadged tohatsu so I'd assume that level of corrosion resistance would be uniform over the whole tohatsu small engine range since it's their product?
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Follow Up By: seniorcit - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 18:31

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 18:31
GBC thanks for updated info re Tohatsu. I owned a 9.9 many, many years ago and it was pretty good & even though that`s 25/26 years ago I found that model very heavy to lift, consequently updated to a 15HP Yammie which was excellent and much lighter....so you will see why I`ve asked for current info on which motor to buy.
Cheers

Frank
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:27

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:27
Frank - you'll find that most 9.9 h.p. motors are a de-rated 15 h.p. motor. The tohatsu 9.9 just had a restrictor plate in the carby - remove that and its now a 15.
The 9.8 is a tuned up 8 h.p. hence the weight advantage, and the wierd h.p. rating.
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Follow Up By: seniorcit - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:57

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:57
gbc....I became aware of that little piece of info at the time and the dealer removed the restictor plate during the first service and the tinnie really flew !!

Frank
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Reply By: Stevesub1 - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:59

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 14:59
I have had a lot of experience with an 8hp mariner, 15hp Mariner and 15hp Yamaha - all excellent reliable motors.

Stevesub
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Reply By: wilco318 - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 18:42

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 18:42
Hi

As a Mercury mech, stick with the 8 hp yami its a better built engine. The Jap (tohatsu) built Mercs are corrosion magnets and are junk.
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Follow Up By: blackmax - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 19:27

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 19:27
wilco318, If a Merc mechanic you should know they use the lowest copper content alloy of any brand, a patented product XK360, also you would know Merc are the only brand who offer up to 5 years warranty on their 2 strokes + a 3 year corrosion warranty. If they were a corrosion problem they wouldn't be giving all that coverage.
My 8 hp is 5 years old, done 100's of hours in salt water. Gets flushed after use and serviced once a year. It still like new and goes great.
I also have a Stacer Boat with a 135hp Merc Optimax, it goes great and is much more fuel efficient and better performance than my mate's E-Tec on a similar boat.
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Follow Up By: seniorcit - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 19:27

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 19:27
wilco318...you make life difficult as plenty of posts disagree with you and me piggy in the middle, so to say !!!..how do I know and the advice from you V others is pretty conflicting...but thanks for the advice.

Cheers

Frank
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:36

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:36
Blackmax - do yourself a favour and get the compressor and alternator mounting bolts replaced each service. They have a nasty habit of shearing and causing major damage. Mine's done it twice now. Last time we had extra mounting bolts tapped into the head. Depending on how old yours is it may have the extra bolts. I won't argue about the fuel efficiency or poke - they do very well on both facets. I figure it isn't worth anything so I'll run it til it dies now - up to 1300 hrs at present.
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Follow Up By: wilco318 - Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:44

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 at 20:44
blackmax posted:
wilco318, If a Merc mechanic you should know they use the lowest copper content alloy of any brand, a patented product XK360, also you would know Merc are the only brand who offer up to 5 years warranty on their 2 strokes + a 3 year corrosion warranty. If they were a corrosion problem they wouldn't be giving all that coverage.
My 8 hp is 5 years old, done 100's of hours in salt water. Gets flushed after use and serviced once a year. It still like new and goes great.
I also have a Stacer Boat with a 135hp Merc Optimax, it goes great and is much more fuel efficient and better performance than my mate's E-Tec on a similar boat
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YES quite true, of the AMERICAN built motors. (they are actually very good) but NOT of the Tohatsu built Mercs. That is any of them built in Japan. Also the mercs built in china are also quite good.

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 13:16

Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 13:16
You might have a look at Parsun. They are Chinese (I don't have a problem with Chinese stuff as some of it is very good) and apparently a copy of Yamaha.

They're getting a pretty good rap around some of the boating forums and they're bloody cheap.

Jim.

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Reply By: Voxson - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 13:45

Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 13:45
Whichever one you get make sure it has a fast idle option for when it starts and it isnt quite warm enough to run but it is warm enough to run bad on choke...
I wish i had a fast idle option on my 4 year old merc 2 stroke 25hp...
What a hassle sometimes...
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 19:43

Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 19:43
Frank, when you say:
'friends who run an 8HP Mercury reckons it get them out of the hole pretty quick and has the extra poke when coming home into the teeth of wind & waves', you need to consider your boat load. The description given in that quote does not match my knowledge of such small motors, even on an 11 ft boat.

If you are light and will be the only person in the boat, it is probably OK. With two people, particularly if there are of average weight, I'd be very doubtful. 15HP is the minimum that will match the description in my experience.

I guess 'getting out of the hole' and 'extra poke' are very relative terms.



Norm C

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Reply By: Plasnart - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 21:40

Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 21:40
Hi Seniorcit.

Pity you're looking for 8hp and 2 stroke. I've got a Honda BF10 (4 stroke) 2005 model UNUSED brand spanking new with 4 years warranty left on it. All receipts, fuel tank, books, toolkit, etc, etc.

For sale much cheaper than new RRP.

If you ever start looking at this type motor give me a hoy on this thread.
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Follow Up By: seniorcit - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 19:03

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 19:03
Plasnart....am always looking for the "bargain buy", can you tell me the engine weight, which seems to be the critical part according to the hull importer..ohh and the obvious question, if motor 5 years old and brand new unused,why is this so ??...advices please

Frank
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Follow Up By: Plasnart - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2010 at 22:41

Tuesday, Dec 07, 2010 at 22:41
Hi seniorcit, sorry to take so long to respond but I've just checked back on this thread.

Not sure of the weight but if you look up Honda Marine website the weights of the BF10 are shown there.

The reason it's 5 years old and still brand new is because I bought a display unit. It was on a stand in the showroom for a few years until it was superseded by the new model. I bought it last year for my trailer sailer but it doesn't fit the cockpit well (yes I know I bought it before I was truly ready for it and then when I was it didn't fit!!). Silly silly me yes I know.

To make it fit my boat I have to do some substantial modifications to it and I don't want to do that really.

It came with a 5 year warranty and I've had it for just over a year. That's why it's still warranted until 2014. I have all the booklets, receipts, toolkit, fueltank, etc. I bought it legitimately and can prove it so if you're concerned it sounds a bit dodgy then I can reassure you it isnt.

If you are at all interested seniorcit, please give me a call on 0413 580 462 and we can discuss further.

Rohan.
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