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Cobb and Co stage coach company was established by Freeman Cobb, an American with partners John Murray Peck, James Scanlon and James A. Lamber. The company was based in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, and ran American-imported Concord coaches to and from the Victorian goldfields.
Cobb & Co operated its lines after nightfall and its coaches were known for their triangular arrangement of lamps which were set on either side of the coach and a large central light was placed on the roof. This triangle of lights was visible for many miles across open country and is remembered in Henry Lawson’s poem, 'The Lights of Cobb & Co.'
The first services began in 1854 between Melbourne and Bendigo. In 1861 Rutherford proposed extending the business into New South Wales, but his partners opposed the plan. They reversed the decision following news of the Lambing Flat (Young) gold rush. Rutherford moved ten coaches from the Castlemaine Depot in Victoria to Bathurst in 1862, and re-established his headquarters there. He transported passengers from the railway station at Penrith, all the way to the new goldfields. In 1865 on recommendations by Rutherford the company again expanded to Queensland.

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The first Cobb and Co service in Queensland was between Ipswich and Brisbane in 1865. The coach stage stops were at Goodna and at the Oxley hotel. This service ended when the railway link was completed in 1875. In 1871 Frederick Shaw joined the firm and established a large office, coach building factory and stables at Petrie Bight.The company continued to expand it services, reaching North Queensland in the 1880s. During this period services were expanded into south west Queensland.
Cobb and Co's operations were eventually superseded by the development of the automobile and, in some areas, by railways. Not to mention the vast amount of debt that the company had taken on due to overexpansion into industries like wool.The company went into receivership in 1911 after Rutherford's death. Their last horse-drawn coach service ran in 1924.

Today the Dyson Group of Companies owns the Cobb and Co coach company, which Dyson acquired when it purchased the Nixon Group in 2000. The company name has been resurrected in recent years by various operators and horse drawn coaches still operate at various locations throughout Australia.
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The Horse-drawn ‘Concord’ or ‘thorough-brace’ type stage coach made by Abbott and Downing, coachbuilders of New Hampshire, USA
This Concord coach spent the later part of its working life with Aisbett's Royal Mail Line and Vines and McPhee in the goldfields district south-west of Ballarat. There it carried passengers and mail from the railway station at Scarsdale to the mining settlements at Pitfield and Berringa. Remarkably, the coach remained in service until 1924, an exceptional record for a vehicle that spent most of its life on rough, unmade roads. The coach could carry up to 20 passengers at a time and would typically have been drawn by four or five horses, which were replaced at 'stages' every ten to fifteen kilometres. Today, the Concord coach is of international significance, being one of the few surviving 19th century coaches of its type remaining unrestored in its last working condition
and is on display at the Transport Collection at Museum Victoria.

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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:14

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:14
Hi Doug

My sincerest thanks for allowing me the opportunity to learn something new. You have made a good day great, nothing could be better.

One question for you though. Did Cobb and Co have anything to do with the camel trains that did the CSR and the horse drawn carts that did Broome to Alice Springs many years ago. We still find some wheels and other miscellaneous items from those days out here now and then.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:19

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:19
Your not suppose to be reading this yet, still Saturday where you are....lol
Mate I would presume if it were anything to do with Camels back in those days it would have been run by Afghans.

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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:30

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:30
Okay Doug, I didn't read it fully for another 30 minutes. I will find out about the afghans now. Thanks mate.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:21

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:21
Haa I just noticed the spelling for Ballarat on the top Coach, this might need a bit of research into the name .

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:24

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:24
It was named by Scottish settler Archibald Yuille who established the sheep run called Ballaarat in 1837 with the name derived from local Wathaurong Aboriginal words for the area, balla arat, thought to mean 'resting place'.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 06:50

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Doug, you are a genius!!!
Terrific piece of historical info as well. Thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 08:21

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 08:21
In the late 1800s Cobb and Co also had a coach building operation in Charleville. I believe it was there because of the drier air and building coaches for outback use in dry air. (they would have been in trouble this year with all the rain)

Thanks Doug, I always look forward to your Sunday offerring.

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Reply By: Fab72 - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 08:57

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 08:57
Love it Doug.
Your Sunday morning history sessions have become a topic of discussion in this house of a Sunday morning.

Little Miss 6 loves the photos and the older kids will often read what you have written, then research related articles through my countless piles of Australiana books.

The discusion continues long after Sunday.

For a while there, before they discovered my source (you), the kids thought I was a historical genius. It was good while it lasted...but now they know who the real genius is. Hats off to ya Doug.

Fab.

P.S.... Mr 15 and Ms 13 always ask me "Dad, why don't they teach this stuff at school". It sadens me enormously to say, I don't have an answer to that question.
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Follow Up By: Member - Min (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 11:46

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 11:46
Hi Fab,

"Dad, why don't they teach this stuff at school". There are so many things we can say that about, but especially Australian history.

Thank goodness for Doug on Sundays. And for dads like you who encourage their kids and keep such wonderful books in the house.

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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:06

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:06
Thanks John 'n' Min,
it really doesn't take much to keep kids interested in history when it's relevant and they can see the remnants close at hand.

Why Aussie kids need to know about the Ming Dynasty is beyond me. It's no wonder most kids roll their eyes at the mere mention of the word "History".

Whereas, take them to the Australian War memorial, Australian Mint, National Archieves, Stockman's hall of Fame, Qantas museum, Working museums (such as the one in Birdsville) and Anzac Dawn services and their whole perspective suddenly changes. It's not that they don't want to learn, it's more what is being taught. And franlkly.... I can't blame them either.

Fab.

P.S... Doug... I'm waiting for the release of your book. "Australian History for Dummies".
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Reply By: Member - David C2 (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:25

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:25
Great read Doug, a what an important role this company played in those early years, many remnants from those days can still be found. If travelling along the Western Highway from Ararat to Ballarat several old bluestone Cobb & Co change stations can still be seen at Burrumbeet and Buangor. Some may even remember Whiplash the TV show about these times. The show ran from 1960 to 1961. Peter Graves starred as leading character Christopher Cobb. Now I feel old :)

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Follow Up By: Member - Patrick (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:35

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:35
Boy......Whiplash......I remember that series.

From memory it was made at the studios in Sydneys nothern beach area, Alambi Heights I think.

What a flash back.

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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:28

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:28
Well done again Doug
Cobb and Co also ran over here in NZ. I know they ran from Dunedin to Central Otago Gold fields, I think they run on other routes as well.
The Early Settlers Museum in Dunedin had a original Concord.
My oldest Daughter travelled to and from their wedding in a replica coach as in the second photo.
Once the rail links were established history took it's course.
Now the rail has gone and the Tourist come and go in air/con coaches'
Keep up the good work Doug!!
Russ
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:58

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:58
Hi Doug and Marc,

Firstly and as always another great read Doug.

Marc and Doug
The WA Cobb & Co was in no way part of the eastern seaboard Cobb & Co. The WA mob just used the name.

The WA Cobb & Co didn't venture into the Kimberley; freight there was mainly carried by Afghans and Teamsters.

Having said that WA’s Cobb & Co had no relationship with eastern seaboard one, a Mr Jimmy Nicholas started as a stable boy with the ES Cobb & Co and moved up thru the ranks to be involved in management. He left ES and moved to WA and he and C Kidman (a relative of the cattle king and the starlet) bought the fledging Cobb & Co in WA and developed it into the largest stage coach enterprise in WA.

It wasn’t until the advent of motor vehicles did the WA Cobb & Co wither and die.

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