Threat to Caravan Parks

Submitted: Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 18:59
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Hi all

There has been discussion on this and other forums regarding a concerted campaign by the Caravan Parks Assoc. to have camping on public land banned. Out of interest I looked up some of our costs from our previous two trips covering both NSW and Qld- bear in mind that we travel using our full age pension only so we are careful with all our expenditure.

NSW 2008 3 weeks and spent $1645 & 2010 4 weeks and spent $1809.

QLD 2008 9 weeks and spent $5285 & 2010 8 weeks and spent $3326.

We will stay in caravan parks when it suits us and in fact we averaged $54 pw on caravan parks in Qld and $78pw in NSW.

If it wasn't for the amount of good free camping available in outback Qld we would definitely not spend the amount of time or dollars in the state. Basically it boils down to the oft stated fact that if a good free camp is closed we will move on to an alternative free spot,spend our dollars there and not move into a caravan park. Spoke to the butcher in Surat who was quite definite that his business would close if it wasn't for the free campers.

John

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Reply By: Wilko - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 20:15

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 20:15
Lets hope not Im not a big fan of caravan parks, Dont get me wrong they have their place but they are the poorer cousin to free camping.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: dazren - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 20:43

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 20:43
You are absolutely right there John, we Cannot and Will not be forced into caravan parks, and as you say, if we are in an area that is not freecamp friendly then we move on to another area,and spend our money with the businesses in that area,
so the organised campain initated by the caravan park chains to stop the free camps, is doing a lot more damage to the other businesses,shops, supermarkets, service stations resturants, coffee shops, and the list goes on and on. maybe all the other traders should jack up to the council, and complain about thier loss of business, as we just move on, the caravan park does not get our business. But then the rest of the community also misses out on our $$$$$$$
This xmas we are away for 2 weeks, 3 vans, caravan parks the whole time, they get our money, and the town also greatly benefits from our spending
But the same three vans also freecamp on the Murray about 4 times a year up at Cobram, ok the cobram parks don't get our money, but if you add up the $$$$ the three vans spent in all the other shops, wineries, sevice stations etc,ets, than it is very beneficial the the township of Cobram, it is time all the councils put some thought into attracting passing business to ALL thier businesses, not just the noisy caravan parks, that will not get our business anyway, if they are not offering the type of service, and pricing, that is required by a large proportion of travelling vanners Regards Daryl
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Follow Up By: westskip - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 21:22

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 21:22
Hi Darryl

Spent about a week at Cobram in 2008 camped along the river and loved it.

John
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 22:25

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 22:25
Caravan parks are businesses, just like businesses many members here run. If times are changing, they have to change to meet the market or go under. Many types of businesses have been lost due to changing technology - as an example how many drive in theatres now remain? I think good caravan parks in popular areas are doing very well. Loss of business has nothing to do with those of us who pay a high price for a rig we can take bush and remain independent. CPs cannot force customers to patronise them, any more than your local grocery store can force you to shop there rather than at Coles or Woolworths down the road.

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Follow Up By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 23:54

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 23:54
i guess we could look at it this way.........
If the local council sets aside land for "free camping" then it has to weigh up the odds of income to maintain and service the site, a caravan park will pay for rates and services and a free site has NO income, the park owner may close down and also local employment will be reduced ...... Councils are also restricted to Budgets and incomes and have to balance books so it is a really hard call...
The council may elect to risk it and open up "free camping" and at the council meeting that will be attened by local bussiness they may argue that the traveller may actually stop and spend more locally and that will in turn be injected into local positions but how would they budget on "assumptions" that they will spend more compared to the rates and employment income from the local parks ..............
A hard call to make as most small towns and communitys are struggling at the moment and "tourism" revolves around getting people to stay longer but spend when they stay, not stay for free ....
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 00:20

Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 00:20
Plenty of good examples to be seen when travelling around Joe n Mel. What's more, "unfriendly towns" are talked about amongst caravanners (used generically to cover also motor homers and campers), who avoid spending in these towns. We make a point of rewarding "friendly towns" with our business. We have to purchase fuel, food and have maintenance done on our rig. We choose to do this in "friendly towns".

Unless there is a major tourist attraction in the area, the park paying its rates may have a limited future as may other businesses in the town, because many caravanners while drive on past without patronising any businesses.

Kev gave good examples from Chinchilla recently, where the caravan park owner is pleased that there are two free camps in the vicinity, as the whole town benefits.

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Reply By: Member - Josh (TAS) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 22:39

Sunday, Dec 05, 2010 at 22:39
If caravan parks made an effort to maintain the buildings and weren't so noisy maybe more people would go there. Everyone knows most caravan parks put their prices up for public hols. Why would I want to pay to camp next to strangers who don't care about what I want. That's why we go away isn't it, to get away from our neighbours lol.. The only time we have ever had anything stolen was in a caravan park. Spoke to the owners who said "never had that happen before". Funny cause the cops said it happens all the time and they knew who it was. Why would we go back there.
The other thing that puts us off caravan parks is the pricing... why is one park so much dearer than the next for the same basic set up.
The way I look at it is you can spend your money at a caravan park which is usually owned by a large company or spend it in the towns at the smaller family owned businesses were it stays in the town.
We avoid caravan parks like the plague.

Josh
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 00:11

Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 00:11
A good answer Josh, particularly "The way I look at it is you can spend your money at a caravan park which is usually owned by a large company or spend it in the towns at the smaller family owned businesses were it stays in the town."

Many caravanners avoid towns which have an attitude of 'must stay in the caravan park'. Towns which provide free or low cost camping prosper from tourist dollars. As an example when we visited Isisford in Qld, camping was $2 per night or $9 per week. One motor home owner said he'd head off and pay for another week. "Already been here for three weeks, but at $9 you can't get better than that can you?". I'll guarantee in that time he'd patronised some shops and tourism outlets, possibly been to the hotel or café for a meal or two and maybe used the Laundromat. In business, the first and hardest part is getting the customer through the door. When he does enter your shop/business, you can then market your product to him; if he doesn't enter, you have missed out. Free and low cost camping brings 'door traffic' into towns; and the longer they stay, the more they buy.

We could have stayed at motels and hotels for less than the cost of our rig - but we purchased it because we don't want to stay in towns and have very close neighbours - and in many caravan parks the neighbours are even closer than in motels and hotels.

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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 17:51

Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 17:51
Hi Mh.
We also stayed at Isisford last July.
A great camping spot on the banks of the Barcoo.
Locals were very friendly especially seeing NSW plates at state of origin time LOL. You don't mind spending your money in these towns.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Rob! - Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 18:06

Monday, Dec 06, 2010 at 18:06
John,

It's good to dinally see some figures. Looks like we are talking about spending about $30-35 per person per day (I assumed there is two of you).

The reality is that for some larger towns, that amount of money may not be worth bothering about.
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