Re Thread 82245 Gu dies

Submitted: Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 21:59
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The saga continues after getting the truck home my initial idea was to rebuild it myself given the costs of replacing motor, was quoted upto $15000. I soon realised that this was a little more than I could handle, lack of space, shelter and age all contributed. I managed to track down a 2005 3LTD with 60k on the clock that was in running order complete with turbo and injector pump, the owner had decided to repower up.
I had this engine dilivered to a local mechanical repairer to whom I had been recommended to. The idea was to remove my blown engine ' lock stock and barrel ' and bolt the replacement in, simple. WRONG.
I decided to have the radiator checked only to find out it was stuffed and neede to be replaced. Then the replacement engine refused to start and for that matter still refuses to start. After much advice, much of which of the derogatory nature and ignored, and many phone calls it was discovered that the current ECU in the vehicle was not compatible with the newer engine. Again afetr many phone calls I managed to source a slightly used ECU that was compatible to my new engine for $400, Nissan quoted me $2000+ for a new one. Fitted the replacement ECU today and the vehicle will still not fire. We have fuel upto the injectors, glow plugs are operational but she aint goin to fire. Where to next?
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:38

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:38
Gee Bentaxle what a bugger.

You sure are having a stiff trot there. I hope it sorts itself okay for you soon so you can get out there amongst it all again.

merry xmas.
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Reply By: The Hat - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:53

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:53
Sorry to hear that but it sounds like the time to get the matches out, then buy a Toyota and live the dream
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Follow Up By: Member - Morry H (WA) - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:32

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:32
hi the hat
this guy is in trouble and that is your advise, grow up regards morry




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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 00:14

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 00:14
We went through a saga our selves with our old toyota. We only wish we decided to buy our new car before we rebuilt her. hindsight ha. Hope it turns out to be something simple and your back on the road.

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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:47

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:47
may be the new computor is faulty? do you have power to
1 the fuel pump
2 the map/maf sensor
3 crank angle sensor
the wiring to the new computor may be different from your old one, you may have to fit all of your old sensors from the exploded ,to the new motor and use the old computor
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:48

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:48
Bentaxel,
Sorry to here about your ongoing problem with this car.
Have you tried posting herehttp://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/ Maybe some of these guys might be able put you on the right track
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:50

Friday, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:50
That insert link is the most useless button on this forum try here http://www.patrol4x4.com
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 00:43

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 00:43
G'day B-axle

Amongst other things that I own is a 2005 CRD JEEP which I have had since new.

During the first two years of ownership that mother drove me insane with computer type glitches, to the point that on one occasion it actually went into 'death mode' in the JEEP dealership workshop when they were changing the fuel filter.

Three days later they ring me up and advise the following - At the beginning of assembly the chassis rail with unique VIN is entered into the ECU for the vehicle. As it passes along the assembly line things like injectors with unique ID numbers are installed and programmed into the ECU.This particular model JEEP has individual fuel, Transmission and traction control CPU's linked to the ECU as well which all have their own unique ID number.

Somehow, for whatever reason the Bosch Electronic fuel pump originally supplied and programmed into the Fuel CPU of my vehicle got swapped for one that had been programmed for a similar vehicle being assembled for the Ozark Mountain area of the USA.

All was well until the JEEP Dealership changed the fuel filter and Fuel CPU went to re boot itself and spotted the 'alien fuel pump ID number' and went into death mode.

The JEEP Techo's then had to enter the JEEP global database and amend the ID numbers for each unit against the VIN numbers of the vehicles they were in, and then reprogram my ECU accordingly.

Apparently on start up the CPU in the JEEP checks all the ID numbers of specific items such as Injectors, fuel pump, VIN etc etc and if one doesn't match , it is programmed to think - STOLEN/TAMPER - and shut down. Again for some unknown reason the sucker accepted the Ozark until the Fuel Filter was changed .

Once all of the above had been sorted out, I have never had a problem with that side of things ever again.

So! I am guessing that with your mixing/swapping of engines and ECU's, you may have some items that aren't recognised due to ID numbers either absent or not programmed correctly.

Just a tad of food for thought that may help you.

DD
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 01:14

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 01:14
Geez DD, the mind boggles, thank goodness for the old 4.2s lol.

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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:49

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:49
D-W

You think your mind is-a-boggling, you should have seen the JEEP dudes faces when they were telling me the vehicle electrics were totally dead, just from changing a fuel filter.

As a matter of fact I would loved to have seen my face also. (ROFLMAO -now anyway)

That JEEP has never been off road or out of telephone range of a TOW TRUCK since that day. It is SWMBO 'shopping trolley' and grand kids mover/visitor.

The old 'analogue' 1997 1HZ Troopy is the 'star off road machine' and always will be until I can't drive it anymore.

DD
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:55

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:55
Makes me happy I've got my beastie

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Reply By: Member Bushy 04(VIC) - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01
Hi Bentaxle, after trying to start so many times I was wondering if you may need to check the new ecu is compatible with the computer.
I would have thought that the computer may need programming?
This is just a thought as I do not do this sort of work but after seeing comp problems before who knows. It sounds simple but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Anyway have a great Christmas.

Bushy
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Reply By: Ray - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:46

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:46
Why do the manufacturers make thing so difficult these days. I never had this sort of trouble with the old 2H troopy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:56

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:56
cough

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Reply By: dbish - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:58

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:58
Hi B-axle, Have been asked to look at acouple of engine changes in the past that have refused to start. Found conectors pluged into wrong sensors on the engine. It onlt takes one wrong conector to disable an engine. Daryl
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 16:26

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 16:26
Bentaxle
Why on earth do some people here have to tell you that you need to buy a toymota and even think that constituts advice, thats just plain dumb!!!!

Hope you solve your problem soon.

I know your emotions re this see my blog project TONI regarding just this thing.

Cheers Colin.
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Reply By: donk - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:34

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:34
In the workshop manual it states that if replaceing the ECM (engine control module) the NATS (engine immobilizer system) has be be initalized & the keys registered using Nissan Consult

What is the Flashing NATS light on the dash doing in each key position (off,acc,on,start)

As others have said just because the ECM is the correct one for the replacement engine it may not be compatible with the wiring harness in your vehicle

Regards Don
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Follow Up By: happytravelers - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 18:32

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 18:32
I think you may be on the money there donk, in most modern vehicles the immobilizer has to be programmed to the engine ECU. So if an ECU has been swapped, it won't recognise the immobiliser.

Jon
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Dec 20, 2010 at 14:03

Monday, Dec 20, 2010 at 14:03
Worth a shot all right - you may remember my recent post , in which my brand new Patrol went back to dealers on flat bed truck because they forgot to re-program one of the keys - clue here was that it would turn over correctly - just not fire.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 19:25

Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 at 19:25
Just another 'thought' that may be of use - bloke I know had a similar problem (different car) - he is quite handy with mechanical work but couldn't get a replacement engine to run ater spending a lot of time on it - it was solved pretty smartly by a wrecker - one of those make-specialists that do servicing and repairs as a sideline too - they do a lot of mixing and matching of parts and systems.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Sunday, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:14

Sunday, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:14
Heart goes out to you mate.....at each twist and turn it's causing you grief, and I know it hurts and is down right frustrating.....But dont give up mate, there's some good advise here.Technology today is so complicated when you are not familiar with it.

You may be just around the corner from success.
Keep my fingers crossed for you mate.
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Reply By: Axle - Sunday, Dec 19, 2010 at 19:37

Sunday, Dec 19, 2010 at 19:37
G/Day Mate, If you have fuel at the injectors, being a diesel you would have to think its, got to be a timing issue, for it not to fire??.

Pain in the rear these sorts of problems, Hope you can sort it quickley.


Cheers Axle.
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