High Coutry Cattlemen

Submitted: Monday, Dec 27, 2010 at 16:49
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The High Country down here in Victoria has been a pretty touchy subject over the last few years, with much grinding of the teeth and not a lot of common sense.

First of all, I’m mainly on side with the High Country cattlemen (HCC), and that’s way I feel. Having said that, I’ve also cussed the beggars at times, when a mob of cattle have left paddies or overrun the bush camp. LOL

The ‘other side’ down here have promised action in the High Country (what ever that means) to restore some sense into the situation, and come to a compromise with the HCC allowing cattle grazing to return.

The local blokes I’ve spoken to over the years don’t want to stuff the bush......that’s the last thing on their mind, because there’s nothing to be gained from it.

Then there was one old bloke (Burt?) who under the sufferance of VB, lamented the change in history reaching back to 1839. Another VB got him talking about the ‘bloody tourists’ and their %*^$# mentality.

So we sat on the side of the Wellington around a small fire, somewhere above Licola, and blamed our misery on the rest of the World. Things were crystal clear in our drunken state! Every other beggar was at fault!

And there lays the inexplicable problem. Who is to blame for the position we’re in? I suspect too many voices on both sides, and not enough common sense.

So get in your 4wd and listen to the other half.

I’ll get off my soap box now. LOL

Ps The annual Cattlemen’s do has changed because of rain. You’ll need to get on their web site for detail.

Cheers
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Reply By: bluefly - Monday, Dec 27, 2010 at 16:51

Monday, Dec 27, 2010 at 16:51
Oops.

Sorry about the spelling.

Cheers
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Reply By: D200Dug- Monday, Dec 27, 2010 at 22:44

Monday, Dec 27, 2010 at 22:44
Well said


I don't think there is a simple solution to the problem here.

While I basically oppose having any feral animals in national parks much of the damage has already been done.

Having cattle and cattlemen ( and women ) up there keeps weeds etc at bay.

Like everything if everyone cared for the environment and idiots did not stuff it up for others then it would be a simple answer.

Talking to a local cop in Heyfield he was delighted when mountain grazing was stopped, it cut cattle duffing by about 90% in the area :-)

again probably 90% of tourists are OK you only notice the 10% who stuff things up and do the wrong thing.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 09:36

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 09:36
I have been going up in to the High Country for years, in fact I live on the edge, & I have never noticed 'damage' done by the cattle, but what I have noticed since their exclusion is a massive build up of combustible undergrowth.
As I said, I live here & find that quite frightening, we had a near miss in the fires 4 years ago.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 09:50

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 09:50
The damage is usually around the edges of waterways where cattle come to drink also adding the increased nitrogen from their dung into the waterways.

It is not really obvious but it does cause subtle changes to the ecosystem.

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Follow Up By: bluefly - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 18:18

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 18:18
Hi Doug and Shaker

I think you both have pertinent points to make, and it won’t happen until each side starts to consider sensible options that are in the best interests of the country. At the moment it’s not very good.

A few years back we stopped at the top of the Zeta Spur Track for a drink and something to eat. It was then I remarked to the blokes about the build up of tinder in the lower parts of the range. We all know what happened next.

As for duffers it’s been going on wherever cattle are in Australia. It gives the coppers a bit of exercise and puts the ‘clean skins’ into productive use. LOL

Then of course we get to contaminated waterways. As far as I can recall, fish, wombats, birds and just about every offer species sh*ts in its own environment.

But I’ll give your due, there are a lot of people concerned with this, and I do believe a section of the population need to shut their gob, and allow cattle grazing back into the high country. At the very least this will sort out a portion of the risk.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 20:37

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 20:37
Yep I agree that both sides have pertinent points

I also think that the ignorant and uninformed should shut their gobs and allow scientists to do the research into the situation, they are the people best informed as to what the environment needs to survive in it s best condition.

Regardless of what some of the more ignorant and uninformed members of out society think.

Research is gathering information, most other people have vested interests or preconceived points of view.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 06:38

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 06:38
We're talking about the Alpine plains here as well as a couple of other parks.

On the Alpine plains, the science is pretty clear as a Vic parliamentary committee recently found.

Cattle degrade the vegetation, soil and creek banks.

There's no evidence that grazing reduces the fire risk since cattle don't eat dry leaves, dead branches or bark. They prefer the soft grasses between tussocks.

We have a comparison available in the form of NSW alpine grazing which was banned decades ago. There it's taken a lot of work and years to rehabilitate the land.

My last point is that the graziers are not paying for the actual value of the high grade feed in their lease fees and they should, and given the clear land degradation grazing causes if they want to continue they should post a bond to cover land rehab in the way that we require miners to do. Given these two conditions, I wonder how many cattlemen would take up a lease?
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 08:48

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 08:48
Here's a summary of what the Parliamentary inquiry found:
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:12

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:12
But then when did "real Australians" ever listen to the facts ?
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:19

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:19
Way too much romanticism involved with all this high plains business IMHO ..... good ol clancy, brumbies, and all that stuff ......

Times have changed ... the country's just become a stagnant, nanny state pandering to international environmentalist thinking ....

Whilst environmental concerns .... and effective measures .... are valid .......

I sincerely doubt the 740 cows currently grazing in vict. alpine leases would be causing any more damage than the much larger population of feral goats, pigs and tourists ..........

As for NSW .... oh yeah ... rip the place to pieces for twenty odd years constructing the snowy scheme .... then flood it, and then proclaim an area turned over by the chinese during the gold rush years ..... as a "natural" "unspoilt", wonder, needing heritage areas and biosphere reserves to keep the U.N. happy .... pffftttttt

Cattle owners are easily legislated against and controlled ...... Its a shame the ferals arent.

A balanced approach to the situation would indeed be interesting.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:22

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:22
Stuff the emotional environmentalists
Stuff the romantic bushies
let's listen to what those who have done the hard research have to say.

And if we care for the country we need to be prepared to pay for the repair and upkeep of areas like this.
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Reply By: OREJAP - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 16:46

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2010 at 16:46
Mountain Cattlemen's Association of Victoria. www.mcav.com.au There 2011 get to gether is at the Hinomunjie race course 20 km out of Omeo from the 14th to 17th. See the website for further info.
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