What the heck is "truck diesel:

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 21:31
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I was driving past the twin Caltex servos on the M4 at Eastern Creek (western Sydney)today and noticed the fuel prices on their board. Apart from the unleaded and e-10 it read vortex diesel @$1.369 cpl and under that, truck diesel @$1.349cpl. So can someone please explain the difference?

Rob
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Reply By: Rod W - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:01

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:13

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:13
Could it be a discount for volume?? regards Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:47

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:47
hi
most of them have a larger hi flow nozzle for filling the truck tanks quickly and is sometimes unable to be used to fill the standard 4x4 tank due to pressure blow back cutting the flow
thats what i have experienced when i tried to use one and truckies dont like waiting for 4x4s to fill up
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:15

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:15
Hi Rob

I believe, from what I learned in Kununurra recently, that some "truck diesels" have a higher detergency rate. When you buy oils, some are have a HD rating, that is higher detergency.

I assume it is a bit cheaper as the ntrucks buy in much greater quantites. I know that when I purchase diesel in Halls Creek, I always fill 6 x 200 litres drums on my trailer, and they always give me a 4.5 cent @ litre discount.

That also could be a "back scratcher", as I have taken quite a few vehicles to them that I have brought in from the CSR or the Tanami. I am not sure.

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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:11

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:11
Thanks Mark, the Caltex website explained about vortex diesel but nothing about "truck diesel". No problem, just wondering.
Rob.
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Reply By: dereki - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:59

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 22:59
Vortex Diesel has additives for cleaning injectors and to reduce foaming during filling.... "Formulated for common rail diesel engines."

Truck diesel is the non premium stuff. From caltex it will either be the old low sulfur stuff or 2% bio.

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Follow Up By: skmaint (WA) - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 23:38

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 23:38
Spot on dereki,

Vortex has the cleaning agents in it so the reason it is slightly dearer.
Caltex have a variety of different diesels,

LOW SULFUR DIESEL
ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL
DIESEL- ULTRA LOW SULFUR
LOW SULFUR DIESEL UNMARKED
AUTOMOTIVE DIESEL FUEL
DIESEL FUEL UNMARKED
EXTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL
DIESEL-EXTRA LOW SULPHUR
NEW GENERATION BIODIESEL
VORTEX DIESEL-ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL
VORTEX DIESEL-EXTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL
Alpine Diesel (NSW, QLD)
Highland Diesel (NSW, QLD)

Therefore the price changes depending on the additives, sulfur content etc.
The problem is do we really know what diesel we are putting in our vehicles?

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 23:40

Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 23:40
This could be one of the reasons.
Cetane Levels
•Different cetane levels of diesel fuel measure the ignition quality of the diesel fuel. Higher cetane level makes the diesel fuel burn more easily and evenly and therefore produces more power. The average cetane level of diesel fuel is 40 but large diesel trucks and pickup trucks prefer a cetane level ranging between 45 and 50.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:41

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:41
My guess is they are simply advertising that if you are a truck, you will get a discount for filling there.
A few years ago, b4 all the price rises that followed low sulphur diesel, and all the other excuses.... it was common to get 2 cents off the price if you bought 100 litres or more....i made that target easily with a long range tank.A truck wont fill if they know the diesel is sub standard.....and they soon find out with the kms they do....then pass on the info....it is pretty safe to fill up at an outlet if you see a semi doing so.
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 13:02

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 13:02
hi sk maint
hi after reading your thread on types of diesel i'm even more confused about what i'm buying lol
but thanks for the imfo
what i have been concerned about is the last 2 tanks i have bought from busselton w/ws the exhaust fumes smells like power kerosene rather than diesel fumes also used to get the same fumes smell when i use to buy from w/ws mandurah before the new highway opened
has anyone else experienced this
and am wondering if anyone else has experienced this
i am very familar with the smell of power kero fumes having run our tractors on it back in the 60s as some old international tractors ran on petrol start/diesel and power kero and diesel
i'm also aware that power kero is used as aviation fuel for some planes and it could be coming from residue of pwr/kero left in the tanker when changing over to diesel cartage
i know it wont hurt my engine and would have a cleaning effect on the injectors the mazda has the old stock standard fuel system so i'm lucky and thats why i hang onto it at 139000kms its just a pup
note:
despite it smelling like a jet plane it doesn't go any faster
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 21:46

Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 21:46
Sounds almost as difficult as buying MILK... low fat, no fat, high calciumm skim, extra dollop......

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Reply By: SDG - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 02:17

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 02:17
No difference in price here at all, or diesel for that matter.
Never had any problem using the high flow pump either. Often fill mine at the truck depots
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:37

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:37
hi sdg
my mazda filler neck has an anti theft/syphon baffle in it and i suspect that thats what causes the blowback shut-off when i try and use the hi-flow truck outlets
one day i'll get around to removing the baffle as the filler has a locking cap
as well as the keylocking flap over the locking cap
but then again in 13+yrs
no one has ever syphoned my tank so the saftey system has worked
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Reply By: poppywhite - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 09:11

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 09:11
I wonder this as well.
There was a recent thread on BP brand diesel, maybe this is related.
The answer to your question is maybe related to the new low sulpher euro standards for diesel vehicles. Modern truck motor must conform,
Also pump flow rate may be issue, Our vehicles tanks are 50 / 180 L. Truck >800++ L.
Useing the company sites seems to just give advertising material and not actual real information, All diesel has to comply with AU standard this covers a wide range in cetain rateing, Use your prefered search engine for the AU diesel standard to see. So I dont believe truck is different to other because of cetain,

Maybe phone refinery and let us all know!
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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:14

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:14
Thanks to all who replied, was just curious, thats all. And yes, I had checked the Caltex website prior to my post and know about vortexdiesel.
Rob
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Reply By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 16:37

Friday, Dec 31, 2010 at 16:37
Hi Guys,
I think you will find the 'truck' diesel is an ethanol blend, I wont bet my 'left' one on it but I think you will find this is so.....
Happy new year to all
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Reply By: Von Helga - Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 16:52

Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 16:52
Rob,
I am going to say that the "Truck Diesel" you saw is Caltex's B5 Biodiesel product.
Different to Vortex Diesel (Non Bio product).
Cheers
Trevor
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Reply By: Von Helga - Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 16:52

Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 16:52
Rob,
I am going to say that the "Truck Diesel" you saw is Caltex's B5 Biodiesel product.
Different to Vortex Diesel (Non Bio product).
Cheers
Trevor
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