Canoes/Kayaks

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Hi all

Getting ready for our next big trip from Perth up to Qld and now thinking seriously about getting a couple of canoes/kayaks to take on the roof bars.
Need to be about 2.7m maximum length and SWMBO is insistent that they be "sit in" and not "sit on". We would intend using them for a bit of fishing and to explore some of the rivers and lakes.
We're quite taken with the Finn "Grifinn" at the moment but has anyone any suggestions as to a suitable craft?

Many thanks

John & Helen
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Reply By: mrtiggs112 - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 19:52

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 19:52
Hi John and Helen,

We have a couple of sit in Kayaks that the kids don't want and were looking at selling. They are very stable due to the fact that they are sit, and not sit on type- perfect for the open water or meandering up the river.

The kayaks are Riot brand sea kayaks 3.9m long with two water tight hatches, rudder, paddle & leash, skirt & PFD's. Similar style of boat to the Griffinn, but a bit more upmarket. Three years ago they cost $1300 each without the accessories.

We live in Perth, North of the river. Please contact me if you would be interested in having a look and making an offer on them. Geoff@abrsecurity.com.au

Many Thanks
Geoff
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Follow Up By: westskip - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:05

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:05
Hi Geoff

Sorry but they would be too long for the storage space we have at home.

John & Helen
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Follow Up By: mrtiggs112 - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:05

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:05
Riot Voyager's, the same as on the web page below

http://www.westerncanoekayak.com/riot_touring.php

One is Yellow/Orange & the other is Blue/White

Regards
Geoff :)
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Follow Up By: mrtiggs112 - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:09

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:09
No problem, worth offering anyway. We hang ours from the roof in the garage & they pergola- we also have 2 much longer ones for Mum & Dad :)

Have a great new year & enjoy your trip to QLD

Regards
Geoff
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Reply By: Witi Repartee - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:14

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 20:14
Hi John,
I've done a lot of kayaking, mainly in NZ, both river and ocean,I don't know Finn Griffin but would make a couple of observations.
2.7 is very short. In kayak terms more water line (length) is easier to paddle and faster thru the water. A 2.7 kayak tends to "screw" on every paddle stroke. 4 metre is a good compromise. Weight?..anything over 25kg is hard to get up on the roof unless you can fit rollers etc?
In your decision on sit in vs sit in...consider buoyancy. Sit ons are more buoyant...I've bent one in half, but have never sunk one! Also if you are not a regular kayaker...a sit on or semi sit on is often easier to get in and out of.
If you have a sit in you need to use a spray skirt to maintain bouyancy..which means from a safety point of view you should take some lessons and learn the √ęskimo roll.

If you are using them for casual exploring...it's the ease of access of hatches and fittings and equipment such as lunch box, cameras that counts.
Finally where ever you go...keep a weather eye on the wind...windage can be exhausting even dangerous.

Good luck and enjoy...it's a marvelous form of exercise
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 07:43

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 07:43
I am right with you Witi. It is ok to look just at what you have for storage, but really you may just limit your enjoyment.

If you want a really short kayak, be mindful they are usually for special application. White water play boats or whatever. The Griffin is a "touring" boat they say, but really you want a long waterline length for that, the Griffin is a play boat for surfing or rapids.

I have paddled Dancer white water kayaks for hundreds of kilometers and they would be more suitable as a tourer but a longer water line length. I now have a Cobra Tourer SOT but still the Dancers in the shed. Like having a few assorted purpose kayaks:-)))
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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 07:27

Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 07:27
The length is very important if you want to travel any distance. I have a couple of 6m in length and a small one at 4.5 which I use for places where I need to manouvre. You;ll also need a bit of know-how and training id you wan t tp go touring in a sit-in. All sorts of hazards including currents, tides and most of all, weather you need to be aware of and know how to deal with, Good luck, there's nothing better than getting away from it without a noisy motor
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 07:50

Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 07:50
Steve, there is a factor that you haven't mentioned in the sit on top versus sit in discussion. How nimble we are or aren't becomes a consideration as we get older. I find I am not as nimble, though that may improve as my fitness comes back a bit.

It is also a consideration that should you swim, how easy will it be to re-enter a sit in kayak out in the water. I have done it and was training my grand daughter last week. Not easy the first few times.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 13:24

Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 13:24
hi John,

sure know what you mean re: "not as nimble";) not sure if we got our wires crossed here but I think it's a lot easier to re-mount a sit-on-top than a sit in.

nice KK btw - one day..............

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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 13:55

Tuesday, Jan 04, 2011 at 13:55
The lack of nimble capacity, you have in one mate. SOT are a lot easier to remount and you don't have to exclude water as you refit a spray skirt. Sounds like you keep some kayaks around for different purposes.

Thanks on the KK, we find it amazing in it's capacity to get to difficult otherwise places.
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Reply By: BuggerBoggedAgain - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 22:15

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 22:15
After reading about that guy in Africa in his kayak who got taken by a croc. no way will I ever get that close to nature which includes sharks too, just the thought, tip over, shark-bait
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Reply By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:27

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:27
How about a small Porta Bote?

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Follow Up By: Witi Repartee - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:51

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:51
Motor homed around the North Island of NZ with another couple who had one of these.
Was quite impressive and handled two large guys really well and was a stable fishing platform.Not sure how it would go on a roof rack as he had a custom slide built under the rear of his largish motor home to accommodate it.
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Reply By: donk - Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:58

Sunday, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:58
My wife & i have a Hobie Kona

It is not what you have specified but it works for us and worth a look at if your specs change http://www.hobiecat.com.au/kayaks/paddle/kona/

Regards Don
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:42

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:42
They would be great fun, as long as they don't use them in Far North Qld.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:16

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:16
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Reply By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:00

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:00
John and Helen, I agree with Witi above, your short water line length will limit how much touring distance you will want to do. The selection is short sighted in my opinion. Go to a kayak warehouse and ask. I found some very good ones in Queensland and NSW and bought from them.

The Griffinn is a play boat for fast turning, NOT touring
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:09

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:09
Kayak supplier this was the crowd, they are on the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast too and very helpful. They cooperate with each other and the main shop supply depot too. I was impressed with the business. I have no other interest apart from being a customer.
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Reply By: donk - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 09:13

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 09:13
Some camping shops have days where you can try out the range of Kayak's they sell ( i know thar Ranger do)

Perhaps you should paddle a few different configurations before making a decision

A lot of people who fish use the Hobies with the Mirage Drive that you can pedal & fit a sail to as well as paddle so that they can hold the boat in position in moving water while fishing

If fishing is a priority have you considered one of these http://www.hobiecat.com.au/kayaks/mirage/oasis/

Regards Don

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Reply By: - mazcan - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 17:03

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 17:03
hi westskip
mainpeak.com.au
in w.a
sell kayaks and have 3 shops cottesloe/osbourne pk and perth with experienced staff
i have no connection except a mate who was very impressed by there sales /service recently and i think they conduct demo days as well
cheers
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Reply By: silvajon - Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 18:18

Monday, Jan 03, 2011 at 18:18
Hi John
Have a look at the Hobie Mirage Sport. We have a couple of the Hobie Outbacks and find them great for fishing and touring and the Sport is a smaller model of them.
The Sports specs. are:

Length: 2.92 m 9' 7"
Weight: 21.77 kg 48 lb
Width: 0.75 m 29.5"
Capacity: 102 kg
MirageDrive Weight: 3.27 kg 7.2 lb

There are some great online Kayak Fishing Forums which are full of info re Kayaks.

Cheers John
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