inverters
Submitted: Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:03
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margs tribe
Gday everyone just chasing some advice on
inverters. I am heading over east shortlly and would like to use my laptop on the way across .I was wondering if i can use the 150 watt can type inveter that plugs into the cig lighter without harming my laptop cheers
Reply By: Bushranger1 - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:31
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:31
Yep. A few of us run our Laptops of my 150w inverter.
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Follow Up By: margs tribe - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:53
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:53
what brand inverter are you using
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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 18:24
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 18:24
Purchased my 150W from Jaycar electronics CAT. NO. MI5102.
Also got a Projecta 600W when I need a bit more power. The fan is a bit annoying in the 600W one on a quiet night. The 150W unit does not have a fan.
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Follow Up By: margs tribe - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 21:50
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 21:50
Cheers Bushranger i will look into it
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 18:42
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 18:42
Or you can get a 12v power supply for your laptop at Jaycar or Dick Smith's that will just plug into a cig plug. Suggest take you laptop to the supplier and get the
shop to set it up for you.
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: margs tribe - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 21:52
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 21:52
Good on ya val I will suss it out
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 00:26
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 00:26
Good advice from
John and Val. When my inverter died while travelling, on the advice from two members here, i got a 12 v power supply instead. Much quicker and easier to set up, and more power effective than running through an inverter.
If you do decide on an inverter, try your laptop on it first. I had an 800 w square wave inverter in our caravan and added a 500 w sine wave inverter for the laptop. My Toshiba Satellite would not run on either inverter, but i could charge the battery from the 500 w inverter with the laptop turned off. My daughter's Toshiba Satellite of a similar vintage ran with no problems from either inverter; just as
well as it had a dodgy battery so needed to run from power all the time.
Motherhen
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 23:23
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 23:23
If you want to run your laptop or other sensitive equipment make sure you get a pure sine wave inverter. They are more expensive but wont damage the more sensitive equipment.
Also I read on a supplier website as a rough rule get an inverter that has a nominal rate of 9 x your required watts. My laptop power pack needs 45w so I would need a 405w nominal inverter - and then the website said get one that is about 30% more than required. That would mean about a 530w nominal inverter with a possible 1000w peak.
Try this ebay site for
inverters - it has been discussed and approved by others on exploroz in previous
forum posts.
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Bit-Deals
Cheers
David
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Follow Up By: margs tribe - Monday, Jan 10, 2011 at 23:43
Monday, Jan 10, 2011 at 23:43
Cheers for the advice David
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 23:29
Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 23:29
Hi Marg
Send me a PM, I need a review on our new 600W Pure Sine wave inverter and can send you one free of charge for testing, it does have a 12V cigar cable included.
We also have the 12V laptop chargers if you wish to
test one and write a review for me.
Regards
Derek from ABR
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Reply By: KenInPerth - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 01:41
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 01:41
Just to add my bit, I would suggest most newer laptops require far more than 150 Watt to run them - 150 Watt is only about 0.65Amp at 240 Volt and most laptop power supplies I see these days require more like 1.5 Amp (around 350 Watt) or more.
Pure Sine Wave units are good advice for reduced risk to equipment.
If you look at your power supply for the latptop it will have an input voltage and current rating - I think
mine is 240V and 1.5A - multiply that together and you get the required output power of the inverter (my case 360VA). While this is far from accurate and this may be a maximum rating, it will give a reasonable idea of what is probably required as inverter output to not have any problems.
You will also have to be aware if using larger
inverters that you are powering it from something capable of supplying the current required by that inverter from your 12Volt supply - eg. it may not run off your cigar lighter - you may need a direct connection to your batery or fuse box.
Hope that helps. It is not very scientific but it is one of those cases where you probably need to try it before you buy it if possible. If not play safe and go a bit bigger.
Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 10:42
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 10:42
Ken,
Not quite correct. A laptop power supply will typically be rated 110-250V, 1.5A input, and 19V, 3.5A output. The first though are peak figures - 250x1.5=375W peak input during the starting surge, while 19x3.5=66W output, being the maximum that the thing can deliver. In fact a typical laptop draws around 2A (a bit more for big fast ones) from a 12V battery, say 30W tops.
As Val and others have said, a 12V power supply is the way to go, unless you have some other use for the inverter. Much cheaper and more efficient. The offers from ABR are hard to go past. ABR has an excellent reputation for quality and support.
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Follow Up By: KenInPerth - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 11:09
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 11:09
John
I agree that a 12 Volt DC-DC unit is the best option - no issues with AC quality and easier to match to the laptop requirements purely based on the Output rating of the laptop power supply.
But they do need to make sure they match the notebook voltage for reliability of operation - in general these days 15V and 19V seem to be most common with the odd weird voltage now and then, and the odd one also that has a dual voltage power supply. As far as we go we generally will not supply anything other than the laptop manufacturers own 12V car adaptors as the laptops are usually under warranty, and not using the manufacturers own will be the first thing they blame if something bad happens under warranty.
You have obviously done some measurements which is far better than theory and I don't disagree with you - but I did not want to get into a confusing discussion of efficiencies and peak requirements. Using the output voltage of the laptop supply does not take into account the efficiency of the supply, and to put a voltage range with only one current rating is not accurate as on 110V it will draw more current than at 240 Volt (for the same output) - so we have to assume the 1.5A is 240 Volt peak current - lots of assumptions to make hence I said it was "far from accurate".
My guess (again without doing any tests) is that the 150Watt inverter may shut down on initial start up surge and that is going to be hopeless for them - hence I was suggesting working on the maximum rating of the power supply for safety margins. Thinking afterwards I may not have had the 500 Watt inverter I was playing with on a high enough current 12V source and it may have been the 12Volt supply shutting down and not the inverter. If only I had more time to play .......
Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 12:12
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 12:12
A 12-19v DC converter if you buy the 6000ma one will run almost any laptop.
Have run my Netbook, Compaq 14in and an Asus 15in no trouble at all.
They wont run on a 3500ma one.
Projecta make both and can be bought at Battery World shops or Big W.
Just make sure you get the one that says on the back Output 6000ma
The model number is DC 6000
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