Cooper Tyres

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It has taken me a while to submit this thread but thought I should share my experience.
Prior to leaving Kalgoorlie to come across to Qld we put 2 new Cooper ATR tyres on the rear of our Ford Explorer,we are towing a caravan.The job was done by the local Kalgoorlie Cooper agent,I was given no literature directly to me but picked some info up in the shop.I mentioned on picking up the car that I would be towing a caravan and we discussed tyre pressures,5psi above normal to 40psi was suggested,the car tag on the door for tyre pressures says 35psi.
After 10000 kms the tyres were down to 2/3 mm in the centres of the treads,I did not do a tread depth check during our travels but visually checked the tread,it seemed ok because the outsides were still very high.
I went to the Cooper agent in Mackay,he was understanding of my problem but informed me that Cooper tyres should never be overinflated beyound what is written in the cars specs and the Cooper info leaflet,[which I never received] for load carrying.
So.......Cooper Tyres in Brisbane passed through the Makay agent that it was my own problem caused by me,BE WARNED if you have Cooper tyres on your vehicle and the wear in the tyres indicates you have run them over inflated you will not be covered by there 100000 km warrenty,[conditions apply].
Funny though is that the tyres I took off were Coopers and using 40psi for 30000km,they did not wear unevenly ??
I now have Bridgestone tyres on.
This is not an attack on Cooper tyres,frankly I like them,but basically the brand was let down by the lack of info given on how they should be used.
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Reply By: Harry and Ann (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:00

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:00
Ross, were the coopers lite truck, it will have LT stamped on the wall if they are.
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Follow Up By: Kiwis Ross & Cushla- Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:07

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:07
They were ATR's reinforced 70/30 highway/mud,cannot confirm re the "LT",dont think Coopers make a light truck type.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:49

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:49
Yes they certainly do as per here


http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse.com/Cooper_Discoverer_Radial_LT_Tires.cfm



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Reply By: Rod W - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:09

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:09
This just reinforces that the Coopers warranty is a big con.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:41

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:41
Like all things you need to read the fine print - I believe the long distance aspect of the warranty only relates to metropolitan driving but I have not had a look at it for a long while.

Garry
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:36

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:36
I agree Garry. I seem to recall reading in their warranty guff a few years ago that if the tyre/s had the slightest nick in them then the warranty is void. This is impossible to maintain for any tyre.
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:13

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:13
The warranty also calls for regimented balancing rotation and alignment by one of there agents. Not a bad way to make good money.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bentaxle - Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 00:27

Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 00:27
I'm on my third set of Coopers my first set were AT guaranteed 60,000 I changed them at 97,000 with 2mm of tread left they did off the track desert trips on top of general off roading, these rotated by me every 5000k. Set number 2 Coopers ST bought 2nd hand had done 20,000I got rid of them after 80000k due to stake damage encountered on a trip to Baxter Cliffs, they had at another 20000k on them, again I was rotating every 5000k, I'm treating my current ones the same way. As with any tyre look after it follow manufacturer's directions thats all you can do, no tyre is invincible.
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:05

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:05
My sympathy is with you, but you have been fed a load of crap. No way should a
5psi increase have that result. How far did you travel before checking the pressure? While the result indicates over inflation, is it possible the tyres were over inflated when fitted. Fitters will put huge pressures in to seat beads &
perhaps failed to reduce. If 40 psi stuffs Coopers why would anyone buy them ?
cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Kiwis Ross & Cushla- Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:10

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:10
I kept a close watch on the pressures,we only had them on for 3 months and did only 10,000km,I suppose the pressure with heat increases during operation would rise a bit,but funny the worn ones I took off which had the same pressures and used in a lot of towing wore evenly across the treads.
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Reply By: anglepole - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:28
Hi,

I find the claim that a tyre 5psi over inflated; will cause the wear you describe as fanciful. Gosh, the tyre pressure would vary that much depending on the temperature of the day.

If you read the advertisements in 4X4 magazines place by Coopers, one would have the impression they are indestructible.

Stick to BF Goodrich or Bridgestone

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Follow Up By: smithy_1 - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:48

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:48
I am never going to buy Coopers.
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Reply By: broometime - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:51

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:51
agree withyou. stick to bfg or brighstone
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Reply By: River Swaggie - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:01

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:01
Ive been using the Mickey Thompson MTZ for awhile now all over the High Country etc etc and they hav been brilliant...I do deflate rear to 25-28psi depending on loading and the fronts to 25psi soon as i hit dirt road's.

Now i hear stories they come out of the same factory.If its the case I couldn't care less frankly they are not the same tyre as Coopers.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:03

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:03
Many thanks for posting that R&C.

That's very useful info. I haven't used Coopers before but they were, until now, in the list of brands that I might consider in future.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul&Bill M riverton- Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:26

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:26
have been using cooper s/t tyres now for 180,000 kms (2 sets of 5 rotated) on my 1997 landrover on all sorts of terrain including simpson desert,high country etc. with not a puncture or any other problems. I leave them at 35 psi all the time loaded or unloaded and tow an 18ft tandem caravan for an average of 1 month each year.I tend to nurse them in really rough conditions such as mt. dare to dalhousie.cant speak to highly of them.
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Reply By: - mazcan - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:33

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:33
hi kiwis ross and cushla
this is very typical of coopers fobbing off on a claim i speak from 2 negative experiences they will use b/s of unbelievable context to wriggle out of a replacement
coopers to me are a big no-no
wouldn't put them on a sack trolley
bfgs or bridgies yes !!
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:47

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 13:47
In contrast I have done 50,000k of towing a heavy van using BFG's I run the rears at around 45/48 hot and the four of them have worn nice and even and now at 65,000 are still good for another vanning trip.

After reading Coopers Warranty its not worth the paper its printed on because if you use the tyres in situations they are designed for the warranty doesnt cover you.

Cheers


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Follow Up By: Member - Matt L (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:19

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:19
The pressure you run is right because any lower the rim protecters on the tyres pinch on the wheel rim and can be a problem , cord damage internally . If you look at the bottom of the tyres you will see what i mean.
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Reply By: The Landy - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:06

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:06
I reckon the best marketing exercise Cooper’s could do is not offer any warranty on their tyres at all, I reckon they’d start to sell more!

Now it might sound like I’ve been drinking, and it is Friday, but not beer o’clock yet!

And without getting into a debate about which tyres are better, my point is I think the expectation Cooper’s create by offering a warranty often results in dissatisfaction like the one in this post and does them no favours whatsoever due to the adverse publicity it gives them.....often, it seems it is the fact they are not honouring a claim that causes the most angst.

Pass me another coldie luv......(as coincidence would have it..a Cooper's)

Cheers, ‘The Landy’
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:24

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 14:24
Well I've bought over twenty Coopers over the last 4 years and have never read the warrenty, never had to...life's too short

It certainly did not influence my decision to buy the product.

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 16:41

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 16:41
This not a recommendation for Coopers - as I have never used them before.
But have fitted a set of Coopers 265 ATR 10 ply LT.
I have just checked them after 10,000ks, 70% of the time towing a 3 Tonne van.
I measure the thread depth and don’t have an uneven wear problem.
I run them to the 6psi rule – which the Cooper dealer recommends for 4WDs.
This means I run the front at 35PSI and 42 PSI rear
Be aware that Coopers ATR come in, passenger construction and also 6 and 8 plys.
Their 10 plys have the highest mileage guarantee.
I didn’t take their guarantee as the type of travel I do doesn’t fit to their conditions.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 17:44

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 17:44
I don't understand the latest round of advertising that Coopers push in the magazines - they say that an old couple were able to pull a tanker up a hill with their Cooper "tires"......WTF.....so what?
Maybe they have run out of people who endorse their tyres.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 18:50

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 18:50
Probaly driving a Mini. LOL

I did have a laugh last night when I saw on telly someone trying to pull a bogged semi out with a snatch strap. Of course it broke before the truck even moved


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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:50

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:50
I would't put Coopers on a wheelbarrow!

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Follow Up By: River Swaggie - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:56

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:56
LMFAO....some things dont change
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 23:53

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 23:53
One of the vehicles that came to Birdsville with us had a couple of Coopers go on him. I know he was always keeping a check on the pressure in his tyres so was very particular with them. Ours and another vehicle had BFG's on. We copped a stone in one of ours but was easily fixed.
Thought I would include a pic.
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Follow Up By: wozzie (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:21

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:21
Have to laugh at the photo.

Is that a tyre repair kit laying in the foreground?

Bit hopeful <(:-0)
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:23

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:23
LOL, that would be funny. No it is a special set of sockets that he had for his wheel nuts.

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Reply By: howesy - Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 00:34

Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 00:34
A wise man once said to me that anyone who uses saturation adds unless its a new product is usually peddling snake oil to successive generations of customers.
A good product doesnt need advertising all the time.

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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 04:58

Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 04:58
I reckon that wise man was me Howesy. LOL. I have been alerting people to the Cooper Tire hoo hah for years. With their flag waving and look at us advertising. If anyone has a Cooper Tire docket/receipt look at the amount of fine print with all the clauses,conditions & must do's stated on the rear of the paperwork. Years ago there was a civil case involving a disatisfied customer who had hired a legal eagle to try and make sense of all the conditions in the contract Cooper Tires had stipulated. Conditions that on presenting a claim YOU MUST produce proof that the tyres were rotated & balanced every 5,000Km & were run at the correct pressure all this & more had to be verified by a Cooper Dealer. This was when the tyre was gaurenteed 80,000km all the advertising....that long ago. It's a shame that people get fooled into a false sense of security thinking they are safe purchasing a product which some local tour operator or some celebrity gets a free set of tires or paid $$$ to promotes products....often these people end up with egg on their face. I do not sell tyres or involved in the automotive industry at all. I have used all brands of tyres in 40 years of owning & driving a motor vehicle including Cooper's. One 4WD tyre (IMHO) sticks out as the best and that is the BFG t/a. The tread pattern has not changed in over 20 years....hence the saying "If you are on a good thing stick to it" I have been very fortunate to have driven most makes & types of 4WD's through my vocation these vehicles have come & gone with all different brands and types of tyres some good and some pathetic.Forum's like this one allows for comments & for members to express their views about many different subjects so whether it is purchasing a tyre,vehicle or going to a camping spot I believe in this bit of advice. "do not believe all that you read & hear. Except the views of people & their experiences weighing up in your own mind the pro's & cons from people who have been there, done that & make your own decision"
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 09:21

Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 09:21
Hi Orejap,
Some swear by them – some hate them.
I am not promoting Coopers but having just brought a set for the first time, I understand the mileage warranty they gave me. I and most 4WD owners would be battling to make a claim on it.

It doesn’t cover off road use.
They have to have rotation, balance, and alignment every 10,00ks by a Cooper dealer.
Correct tyre pressures.

Where I drive puts me outside their warranty.
My brother-in-law has a 200 series, which he won’t take off road for fear of scratching it; he would fit their warranty conditions. (He has an 70 series ute for this)
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Reply By: petengail - Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 17:29

Saturday, Jan 15, 2011 at 17:29
I have been a 35 year fan of Coopers. But then I am talking home brew not tyres...
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Reply By: Mills5 - Sunday, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:08

Sunday, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:08
Thought that

Con

...was running their sales campaign in Australia ..?

Got to say he has done a great job so far , but one day users of his product will agree that they were shafted and had a good

Job


done on them ..
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