GU patrol 4.2 diesel wagon
Submitted: Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:06
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peteraw
Hi everyone,
After a tow vehicle to tow a Jayco
Heritage, close to 2400kg loaded up.
Looked at Dual Cab diesels, undecided.
Considering a 4.2 patrol turbo wagon, they hold their price
well, looking at a 2000 ST with 250,000km asking 24,500.00 looks tidy and has service records,done minimal towing in its life time.
Can anyone advise what I could expect out of a Patrol in the way of Km if the car is
well maintained, rated at 91kw are they sluggish when towing.
Thanks to all who reply.
Peter.
Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:18
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:18
If it's an ST turbo, then it's rated at 114kw. The non-turbo is 91kw. At 114kw, it's still not a ball of fire.
There are some issues with overheating when towing, but I've never experienced any myself, as I don't tow.
Also, that period had 5th gear issues (1999-2000 on both Series I & II), esp when towing. Mine chopped out at about 120,000, but had it fixed under warranty. Due to a weak spline on 5th gear, and means replacement of the main shaft and 5th gear. Not cheap, so
check if it's been done already.
Otherwise pretty bulletproof.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 05:26
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 05:26
My 5th gear went... $2600 with a new clutch.
I would have towed our camper trailer, a total of 500 km (no more) in 5th.
Question you may want to ask
1) Does the previous owner tow a van ?
2) Has 5th gear been replaced ?
Then biuild it into the price...
The Pootrol is basically bullet proof, but when towing it's just a slow job.
Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Ifeellikeanewscreenname (VIC) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:26
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:26
I have had the heating problem twice, both times were towing our camper trailer up steep hills, each time it solved it's self as soon as I got to the top.
Towing 2.4t will mean you would be in 4th gear a lot of time, that might save 5th for a while. 5th was a problem unto 02 or 03 I think, if it hasn't been fixed it might be a problem for you at some stage....
As everyone says they are a bit of a slug but reliable on the most part. A local mechanic who I respect suggests the engine has a lite of around 500000 km, I'm sure they vary dependent on how they have been cared for.
Nick
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:19
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:19
Hi Peter
The Turbo is 114kw , without turbo was 91 , both very low torque though.
TD42, 4.2 litre (4169cc) naturally aspirated diesel, dropped 2000
bore: 96mm, stroke: 96mm, c.r.: 22.7:1
power: 91kW at 4000rpm, torque: 272Nm at 2000rpm
TD42T, 4.2 litre (4169cc) turbo-charged diesel
bore: 96mm, stroke: 96mm, c.r.: 22.7:1
power: 114kW at 3600rpm, torque: 330Nm at 2000rpm
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:21
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:21
Hi Peter,
I have 2 x 4.2T GU Patrols and most certainly if it is a stock standard setup then you most certainly can say it will be "sluggish" with the 2400kg van in tow. The good news is for a cost you can dramatically increase the performance of this motor giving a much better (even great) towing unit.
Be warned the 2000 model is right in the middle of a bunch of vehicles sent out from the factory with dodgey spline shafts in the gearbox resulting in 5th gear letting go of the mainshaft and a $3000.00 repair bill to boot. If your prospective vehicle has not had the 5th gear problem rectified I would strongly advise to be prepared for to fix it if you go ahead and buy the vehicle.
Also overheating is a big issue for people towing with the 4.2's but one of my vehicles has towed most it's 400000km life and ran very hot on the temp gauge for all this time without long term side effects (to date anyway). My other 4.2 suffers the same heating issues but also has 250000km on the clock. From these vehicles I would say with confidence I will get plenty more than the 250 thou on the one you are thinking of buying and it seems a pretty good buy price if you want my opinion.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Matt L (WA) - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 18:07
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 18:07
25,000 KMS a year for 10 years and $24,500 don't touch it ,you will get burnt.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 18:59
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 18:59
WHY?
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt L (WA) - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 19:33
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 19:33
Bearings Ball & roller have a life of 100,000
Miles (old saying) and that Nissan has many, and also 250,000 kms on the clock, work it out.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 22:33
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 22:33
That might have applied years ago. Their are plenty of toyos, and 4,2 nissans around with over 500000ks with out any major rebuilds. My Jack has covered 175000ks with only shocks, timing belt plugs being replaced.
Any 4.2 Nissan is bringing big money , and they will not be getting any cheaper as you can not buy them any more.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 22:41
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 22:41
Matt,
Have I been very lucky with my 2 GU's (1 with 400 thou the other with 250 thou km's) and should I be planning for big expenses with both these vehicles soon?
It is/was my understanding they were good for many more
miles than the 100thou
miles you state.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:58
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:58
Matt!!!! Whats ball and roller bearings got to do with anything?? The only thing i can think that has those is the fan belt idler and the water pump and the alternator and the air conditioner pump.... The old 100,000miles thing is long forgotton with the holden red motor era, new detergent oils and better filters have that under control and have for decades.... How often do people replace engines in vehicles?? (except for 3.0litre Nissan engines).. Not often, usually the car falls to bits first.. read my post a bit further down this post!! Nothing wrong with a 250,000ks 4.2, its only just run in if its been serviced!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt L (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:38
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:38
Mate every thing that go's round and round starting from the engine like you have mentioned the gearbox,transfer ,diffs ,wheel bearings and all things like bushes front and rear even door hinges , in my eyes it is warn out Sorry but that may be me .( Ex Army and Civiy Mechanic for 40 years all on heavy vehicles)
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Reply By: Member - Russler - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 19:26
Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 19:26
Hi Peter,
I have a 2000 4.2TD GU2, andhave been really happy with it. Unfortunately the 5th gear did need to be replaced, and that was even without a history of towing. I ain't braggin' cos it ain't the fastest set of wheels in town, but there are several after market performance changes that can be made (
check out the 3 inch exhaust changes for a start). It's an old tech donk, but reliable, and it won't cost a packet to have the injectors serviced (mine were about $260 for the set at the last service).
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 03:54
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 03:54
Hi peteraw, we have one that has done over 250000klms, it is the 1999 model, we sure can't burn anyone off at the lights with it but the mileage it has done has been hard
miles. Kept the
services up on it and up to this point in time the motor hasn't missed a beat. As above it does get warm when towing, we have a full 18ft Jayco that we tow, when we aren't towing that we are doing the deserts over with it. We did have a clutch problem some time back, we had that changed and also the 5th gear was done at the same time, the 5th gear didn't go on us it was just knowing that it was a weakness so got it changed while the clutch was being done. Other than that all has been
well, wouldn't swap it at this point.
Cheers
D
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:05
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:05
I have been towing with a 2001 GU 4.2TD for 9 years, there is not a huge kilometre count in that but the towing has been in a wide variety of conditions and I have never been disappointed.
The overheating can be an issue but mine has only done it on hot days when I was travelling quickly with a large load. Take away any of those conditions and it has not overheated. To put that in perspective we once towed from
Broken Hill to
Ballina in 16 hours. It was January and at 10am in Coonabarabran it was 42C. Yes the car got warm but careful use of the right foot kept the temp under control. On this trip we had 5 adults, the camper trailer, 3 push bikes and enough gear to be away from
home for 6 weeks
We have towed in summer through the
Vic High Country, once again by going a little easy on the throttle there was no problem.
I did not buy the Patrol to win the traffic light
derby but as a touring vehicle I think it will keep up with traffic quite
well.
Bearing in mind the concerns over the gearbox I doubt you will be unhappy.
Duncs
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:49
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:49
Peter!! The 4.2 as mentioned is a slug, very underpowered but very reliable with an old style mechanical fuel injection system, cheap to maintail and will go the yards. My first new GU1999 4.2 has over 400,000ks with no money spent on it other than normal servicing and new clutch at 350,000ks and my current 2003 has 312,000ks and not a cent spent on it and still the original clutch... So if you want relieability, the 4.2TD or the 4.2TDi has it but it really is an engine going nowhere!!! Michael
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Reply By: coonick - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 20:36
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 20:36
Towing in 5th gear should not be done in any car, it is stated in most manuals, even toyota manuals.
Its an over drive gear for those who DONT know,not even toyotas are immune to this.
If you tow in 5th gear up hills and / or put strain on it any gearbox will go after time. flat stretches of road should not be an issue
So dont put this down as a nissan only thing.
The GU 4.2TD is probably the best 4wd going around.
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Reply By: nickb - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:31
Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:31
Price seems to be at the top end of the market for that year model. The intercooled versions are the most desirable, and therefore more expensive, versions.
You should have no problems with the Patrol, just have to be happy with the price you pay. If you have the money, you will not be disappointed.
My opinion is that the dual cab utes would not last the
test of time towing that weight constantly.
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 16:56
Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 16:56
I have a 1999 GU 4.2 diesel. This is naturally aspirated with 170 000 km on clock.
It has done a good mix of highway and offroad with plenty of long hauls with a Jayco Swan (1400kg loaded) It has towed all it's life in 5th sat on legal limits in all states (NT 115 kmh when towing) and still runs and changes like a dream.
I have been very very fussy with oils, air and valve clearances but also attribute my trouble free running to being natuarally aspirated (less load on drive line) and smooth driving and gear selection. My last patrol, a GQ 4.2D sold at 345000km and only wore out an alternator. The GQ was subject to river crossings every day (we lived in Arnham Land NT) but never let me down.
These trucks may be slugs but they just keep going. Price does seem top end but it should depend on condition.
Get a good one and you will not regret it
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Reply By: Jimbo - Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 17:02
Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 17:02
The naturally aspirated 4.2 doesn't seem much less powerful than the 4.2 turbo. The turbo version is also sluggish but both seem to use their power very
well. Reliability, low down torque and simplicity are their high points
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