Diff Breathers
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 20:42
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Member - Noel C (NSW)
I was going to get a rear diff breather fitted while getting some other work done.
The store told me that diff breathers do little because the Toyota diff gasket design sucks what in anyway with sudden "Cold water" Shock. Has anyone else heard this?
Reply By: Member - Noel C (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:07
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:07
Oopps Should say sucks water in
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:21
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:21
toyota has a metal cap then a spring then a rubber disc then the breather hole up thru the centre of it all. if that rubber has perished, the spring pushes the rubber disc to seal the hole so only air gets in, if you go thru water the spring tension applied to that disc should keep it sealed.
mine hadn't after almost thirty years and i took it swimming up at
moreton island, and the oil was as clear as when i changed it a week before.
oh by the way it would pay you to open it up and have a look,
mine was filled with dirt but it was serviceable.
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Reply By: Member - Josh- Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:20
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:20
I had diff breathers on my 80 series. They both came up under the bonnet. Never had a problem with water in the diff. I had a filter on them and the standard caps off the origanal breathers. Worked
well
Josh
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Follow Up By: gbc - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 23:42
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 23:42
replaceing the original caps achieves pretty much the same as not having extensions at all. The idea of extensions is to allow the diff to suck air when it hits water at operating temp. The caps will shut off and the diffs will draw water past the wheel bearings anyway.
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Follow Up By: Member - Josh- Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 23:45
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 23:45
Well I never had water in my diffs so I geuss my set up worked ok
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 06:55
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 06:55
My apologies for trying to assist, carry on guessing. You'll recall MOST 4wd's don't have breather extensions and their setup works ok MOST of the time too.
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:22
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:22
Hi Noel,
This is a good read.
Diff Breather Hoses
I've done my front one, the rest will be done soon. Every bit helps I guess.
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Reply By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:29
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 21:29
I have always been to the understanding to let your running gear cool before a crossing for such reason. Regardless of having breathers..
Regards Craig
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:06
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:06
Hi Noel, ".....theToyota diff gasket design...." someone's having a lend of you.
The Toyota diff gasket is no different to almost all gaskets. It's a flat composition gasket clamped between two machined faces and will neither let oil out or water in if installed correctly.
Go ahead and put breathers on if you intend fording creeks. You may get away with it without but it's good insurance at little cost.
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:10
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:10
I got some old brake tubing off an
old car, attached it to the rear diff breather, and ran it along my chassis to the front of the car and then up to a fuel filter high up on the bulkhead.
Used a couple of bits of rubber hose at the strategic points for the movement of the axle.
cheers
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:16
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:16
G`day Noel,
Do it yourself mate.
I got water in the diff last outback trip, so now I have removed the gizzmo from the end of the breather hoses and extended both with poly tube to a tee piece in the engine bay, a single tube then goes to an " in-line plastic fuel filter" fitted in the upper left rear corner of the engine bay, then the tube continues from the filter up the inside of the windscreen pillar.
I reckon that before water to get into this tube I would be blowing bubbles in the drivers
seat first. LOL
Scrubby.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:20
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 22:20
Ooops, should read.
I reckon that before water gets into this tube.................
Scrubby.
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Reply By: Member - Vin & Lisa - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 00:14
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 00:14
This may be a stupid question, but being fairly inexperienced... how serious a water crossing are we talking before diff breathers are likely to be required? i.e. if you are quickly crossing a creek or wash out are they needed? or is it more a depth based question? Cheers, Vin
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:15
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:15
It is both a function of depth and heat.
A beam axle, for example needs to be both hot, and partially submersed before it will try to draw water past the bearing seals.
As a general rule, anything over half wheel height is near enough to think twice before simply driving through. We've all driven through deeper water and got away with it, but at about half wheel height the driver should start to think about blinds etc - esp on the newer vehicles. Driving through at fording speed will generally not see any issues with breathers, it's when you have to stop midstream and 'change plans' that the seemingly shallow water can find you out.
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Follow Up By: Member - Vin & Lisa - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 18:59
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 18:59
Thanks GBC - good info, not having a mechanical background I'm learning fast! Figure we should be ok for our upcoming outback trip as the most we are likely to come across on our route is the odd creek to ford - but will definitely plan to fit some diff breathers before our next planned trip to
Cape York. Thanks again, Cheers, Vin.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:55
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:55
Noel
Our system works as
well. Plenty of crossing up
Cape York and around the Hills near here. Breathers extended into the engine bay.
I would think about changing mechanics if someone said that to me.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Noel C (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:05
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:05
ARB???
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 18:20
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 18:20
Too right. They absolutely stuffed up some work for us. Cut a hole in the lining in the wrong place, mounted the wrong connector in it. Then instead of taking the wrong one out and putting the correct one in, the idiots cut another hole and did some very lousing to it. The wiring had to be replaced twice.
Anyway. ARB! What's so special about them. I would bet that most are NOT mechanics nor engineers anyway.
Phil
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