80 series landcruiser

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Hi all, I'am considering buying a used 80 series,i'am after a 1997 turbo diesel multivavle.I have reason to believe that the turbo models have ceramic pistons and are about $6000 each.Is this true?.What else do i need to look for when buying this car.I'am also looking at 1997 80 series 40th Anniversary petrol would this be better vehicle as i tow camper trailer. I believe the big ends can go in these models?. Any info would be great Thanks.
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Reply By: Ray - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:52

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:52
Hi. I consider that the 80 ser is the best L/C that was built by Tojo. I have an 80 ser. petrol that has 270,000 on the clock and regulary tow a 17' 6" full top caravan with no problems.. Mine is auto constant 4wd. but if you buy one of these modeles make certain that is a post 1964 model. The one with the badge on the front and not the one with the name.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:37

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:37
I think Ray meant a "Post 94 model"

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Follow Up By: Member - Keith C (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 17:10

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 17:10
G/day Ray, what's the diff between pre and post 1994 model 80s other than the badge. regards Keith.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:54

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:54
Matt,

It would be very hard to buy a new 1997 80 Series. :-))

It would have to be one of, if not the best 4WD Toyota ever built.

Ceramic pistons, I don't know where that rumor came from but as far as I know there are no $6000 pistons in an 80 Series.

Forget the petrol version, they were known to be very thirsty.

Big ends were a problem on the 1HZ motor before the multi valve came out so you should not have any problems.

I know of several people, myself included, that wished they had kept there 80 Series.

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Follow Up By: Member - Amy G (QLD) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:51

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:51
Just a slight amendment- the 1HD-T (factory turbo to 1995) is the engine that had the faulty big end bearings, not the 1HZ.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:30

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:30
And if they have been replaced every 100K k's there isn't a problem.
I had my BEB done just recently, It's second set. The first at 150K under factory warranty. And I got the second set done at about 315K for a cost of $300 plus oil & filter. I asked the mechanic what condition they were in, He said they were perfect. Gotta be happy with that.


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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:39

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:39
Amy G,

I beg to differ on you statement "the 1HD-T (factory turbo to 1995) is the engine that had the faulty big end bearings, not the 1HZ."

I had a 93 with a 1HZ motor and the bottom end bearings on mine went in about 2003. On strip down it was determined that the bearings were the same as in the 1HD-T

When my dealer approached Toyota in Melbourne they admitted that a "small number" of the 1HD-T bearings had been "accidently" fitted to some 1HZ engines in late 92 and early 93. Toyota came to the party on all parts and labour

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Cruiser
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Follow Up By: nick - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 22:15

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 22:15
Never heard of that one, 1HD-T's yes but not 1HZ's. But with the thousands out there I spose a few are gunna have trouble.
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Reply By: PeterInSa - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:54

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:54
If you intend to keep the vehicle long term, I understand the 1998 models have the same towing capacity same as the 100 series ie 35500 kg so will be able to tow a big tandem if you decide to upgrade in the future.
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Follow Up By: ob - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 17:59

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 17:59
35500 Kg towing... wow I'm selling the Kenworth and buying one of them mother haulers...........lol

ob
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Reply By: Snoopyone - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:03

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:03
For technical information on all Toyotas join up here www.lcool.com.au



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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 15:27

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 15:27
x 2 that - a font of wisdom at Lcool, happily shared by all. Just a tip - search first - the mods get understandably irked by new questions that have been answered over and over.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 16:03

Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 16:03
Snoopyone,

............" For technical information on all Toyotas join up here www.lcool.com.au "

Please tell me how I can join" lcool "?.

I have a 60 series and it seems that owners of this model are not welcome to join this group.

Thanks in advance,

Scrubby.
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Follow Up By: Snoopyone - Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 16:17

Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 16:17
Put in a different model and try

It was a general comment, not a model specific one.

They wont care I didnt have any trouble joining.

They have forums for different things as well like State clubs etc.

It doesnt say they arent welcome but the site started at the 80ser.

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Follow Up By: Allyn Cooper (WA) - Sunday, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:51

Sunday, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:51
Scrubby - the have a 60 Cool section so I'm sure you'd be welcome
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:33

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:33
The TD's have ceramic top pistons. There are only issues with the petrols and diesels if they aren't maintained.
I have had a few 105's and now drive an 80 again as they are a better vehicle. Mine is a petrol and has 405,000km on the original bottom end. The head was serviced at 350,000km.
A full rebuild on a 4.5l petrol is around the $2500 mark an injector pump on a diesel will cost about the same, a full rebuild can run to $10k.
I average 15.1 litres per hundred km and the vehicle is far from std, most diesels seem to run 11-14lp 100km.
The servicing on a diesel is every 5000km petrols is 10,000km (and at 1/3 the cost).
A petrol with 300,000km will set you back 6-10k in good nick the same in a diesel will cost you double....that is a lot of fuel and you can go dual fuel if you want. Mine is a 1996.
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:11

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:11
Hullo Matt
I have a late 1995 80 series multi valve turbo diesel auto and am very pleased with it. With a 3" exhaust, it has stacks of power to economically tow a C/T wherever you want to go.
While the young turks often prefer the manual, the auto delivers what I call "soft power" - the ability to smoothly supply just the right amount of grunt in the right gear at the right time!
About the only downside was that it tended to run away in low range 1st on a v steep hill - but fixed this with a lower ratio (25%) in the transfer case. With a Detroit Trutrac LSD in the front and an Elocker in the rear, it goes where I want it to.
It is not difficult to see why they are rare, sought after and come at a premium price (not that I am biased :-).
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:59

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 13:59
Hi Matt,
I have an 80 series TD multi valve and have just had the motor done up , only because I was chasing the annoying tick that they are notorious for.

I did not get rid of the tick and the motor is going slightly better but not much better which tells me that at 290,000 K she did not want doing, I was going fine anyway. Injectors were another $3500 on top.

The rebuild cost about $5500 at the motor rebuilder and $1400 at the mechanic to pull it out and put it back.

I have gas on mine as well and it goes like a rocket.

The 97 models are fairly few and far between, they were the last of the mohecans so to speak.

Good ones are still fetching well over $20,000.

If you can't afford a diesel then by all means get yourself a petrol as they are quieter, smoother, less servicing and cheaper to service.They are also much cheaper to buy.

As a previous responder said the petrols cost around $2500 to $3000 to rebuild.

I previously had a petrol 97 on gas and it was brilliant returning as good economy or better than a turbo diesel, kilometres per dollar that is.
The only down side was that I had to get a spare wheel carrier for the rear but by doing that I retained the original main petrol tank and that gave me 180 litres of fuel capacity. half gas half petrol. Dual fuel is the only way to go as you are not restricted to just the main centres as gas is hard to get the further out you go.

There is no telling what might happen with gas in the future so that is the only cloud on the horizon for a gas conversion.

At $10,000 cheaper for a petrol, well that gives you a lot of coin left to put in the petrol tank and you don't need to turbo them to get then to go.

Either way you go you will not be sorry, in my opinion.

Cheers, Bruce.
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Reply By: Dan - Yal - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:13

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:13
I had a 92 model TD and selling it was the biggest mistake I've ever made!!!! After years of counselling, I was starting to get over the mistake..... then my neighbour bought one. Every time I look over the fence I am reminded of how good a 4X4 the TD 80 series is.
They are an awesome vehilcle and very sought after. Many of those in WA have been sourced from the eastern states. People will happily travel 3,000 km for a good TD 80 series.
The big end bearings issue only applied to the original bearings used in some of the pre 94 turbo's. These would all have been replaced by now so your not going to have an issue with them at all.

If your towing, I would have thought the diesel V petrol question would be a no brainer

If you can find someone willing to part with their TD 80 series, pounce on it.

Good luck

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:07

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:07
Hi Dan,
Having owned a petrol 80 for 2 years, running on gas and towing our 2.2 tonne van with it and now owning a 96 80 with 1HD FT I can assure you this petrol versus diesel thing is far from a no brainer. In my opinion based on my experiences and the fuel consumption figures I meticulously kept, I can assure you it is line ball.

My petrol 80 had 316,000 K on it when I got it and it was as good as I have ever driven. Sometimes I think I would like to go back to the petrol as they are as smooth as and have plenty of power. In the 100 series with the same motor and gearbox and diffs they are legal to tow 3.5 tonne. Got me beat but it does mean that the 80 series is built tough as.

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Follow Up By: Dan - Yal - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:28

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:28
I should clarify, here in the Pilbara, LPG is 99c/L. Diesel is $1.40.

Living here, its easy to choose diesel over petrol.

If you spend most of your time in the suburbs or within a few hours of a capital city, it may be a different story.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:51

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 18:51
Hi Dan,

Up where you are gas would be a disaster but on the eastern sea board and inland even as far as Broken Hill in NSW gas is plentiful and moderately cheap.

Gas is cheaper in Vic and SA than it is where I live near Port Macquarie where it is currently 75cents p/l. I found that if gas is half the price of diesel gas is the cheaper fuel even though you use lots more of it. That is cheaper per kilometre.

I am currently paying $1.48 for diesel while gas is around 75 cents.

Cheers, Bruce.
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Reply By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 18:52

Saturday, Mar 12, 2011 at 18:52
Hi Matt,
This site is a wealth of knowledge.
There is another site called Offroad 80s.. you could have a chat with some of those blokes too.It's free to join. I think.
Bye Ma.
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Reply By: Allyn Cooper (WA) - Sunday, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:57

Sunday, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:57
Do it once and do it right !!!

IF you did manage to get hold of a 1997 1HD-FT turbo diesel multi-valve then you would certainly be doing it right. However I think you'll soon find that they are as rae as the proverbial and always demand a premium.

I've just put a 1HD-FT motor in mine and I wish I'd done it 5 years ago, amazing !
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