Joining Straps
Submitted: Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:17
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Member - Doug T (NT)
Thought I'd share this idea with you, not the method, you all should know that, it's the item used, a piece of polly pipe a foot long, it's light and strong, this time last year when I had the old Troopy bogged I used 2 pieces to join 3 straps, I applied some enormous strain and pipe held up 100%.
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:36
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:36
Hi Doug
Perhaps you should rather show the correct way because someone may see this photo and think it is fine.
Here is the correct way:
Join-Strap
Regards
Derek
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:41
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:41
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From RACQ website
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Follow Up By: Ken - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 19:16
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 19:16
Well done Derek that is the correct method of joining straps. The sole purpose of the object between the straps is to prevent them becoming locked together. The first example puts load on the pipe and if sufficient force is applied the 2 straps will separate. Don't ever join straps in this way. Think of the consequences of a separation of snatched vehicle on a
hill. It could and probably would take off backwards at a rapid rate !
Ken
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Follow Up By: Skippype - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 21:33
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 21:33
ARB-Sidewinder
Will the ratings of the straps remain the same after joining them like that?
Skip
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 21:33
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 21:33
Derek, great use for the Road Ahead magazine! Don't leave
home without it. LOL
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 23:18
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 23:18
Hi Skip
Have a look here:
Just-Straps read the red writing.
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 23:21
Friday, Mar 25, 2011 at 23:21
Hi Allan
The RACQ mag goes into the recycle bin about 5 mins after it lands in my post box. We tried advertising in it for a few months and did not get one enquiry.
Regards
Derek
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 01:45
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 01:45
Derek, I switched to the on-line magazine for RACQ some time ago and it gets only a quick glance. It would be pretty useless to join straps anyway. lol
Instead of a magazine etc I have a proprietary thingy made of a stiff doubled section of strap for this purpose. From Just Straps I think.
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Follow Up By: Skippype - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:33
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:33
Sidewinder
Thanks for the link
Skip
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:35
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:35
Actually, I think Doug's poly tube is an ideal separator for the two straps. It is likely to be more easily removed after compression than a magazine etc.
However I believe the strap coupling is better done as Derek showed. Stronger and less likely for the poly tube to drop out.
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:59
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:59
Hi Allan
In Doug's picture the poly-tube will simply fold in half under pressure, let go and do some serious damage to one or both vehicles.
Regards
Derek
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:23
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:23
Hi Derek
I was actually endorsing the material doug used (poly tube) for a separator in lieu of a magazine, NOT his coupling method. I still prefer the method you proposed.
However, Doug DID say that he successfully employed his method with enormous strain. Some poly pipe is very thick-walled and may not bend in that very short distance between the strap eyes.
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:14
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:14
Doug T (NT)
Well Dougster, it's very obvious that you should have stayed bogged until the Laundry boy, paperboy or the junk mail man passed by and made a delivery so that you could extricate yourself from a sticky wicket in the 'correct manner' so to speak.
I would have had a problem or two seeing as how I don't carry papers, magazines and/or towels around with me all the time.
Maybe SWMBO's new Bemuda triangle (Handbag) wrapped in her Queen Victoria style knickers might have sufficde in such a situation.
If it was me dude, I would have done just like you did, used whatever was available and attached some clothing to each strap near the join as a damper.
Also if nothing was available, I would just join the two straps and piff them in the bin when I got
home.
DD
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:29
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:29
DD,
Have another look at the photos, It is the way the straps are joined and not the object that keeps them from locking together.
Have a good one.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:28
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:28
Queen Vic style knickers could be a useful winch rope damper
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:51
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:51
Rockape
When I posted the aforementioned reply at 12.36am this morning, I was under the distinct impression that the talking point was about the object and/or material that was used to keep the join area separated, so that the straps could be easily separated and used again. Especially seeing as how those that had replied were extra careful to point out how they used rolled paper, towels and or different versions of pieces of wood.
In view of your comment above I fully admit it was exceptionally remiss of me to not point out that Doug's picture (set up for the
forum post) would like Derek quite rightly said later this morning, fold the tube and pull it through the eye of the second strap.
I unequivocally apologize to all concerned for failing to bring this to Doug's attention ASAP so that he could take remedial action to amend his
pic, and promise never to do so again.
DD
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Follow Up By: gbc - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:02
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:02
'what' you use is unimportant. The south africans just cut a tuft of grass. A stick, anything that can be compressed will do.
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Reply By: Duncanm - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 05:56
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 05:56
An interesting thread and links re the correct way to do things with straps.
I was wondering what was considered to be acceptable using and equalizer strap and a drag chain ?
That is, to use an equalizer strap across the two front or rear two recovery points and have the equalizer strap pass through the eye of the drag chain ?
I had reason to do this to remove a tree stump in my yard and this thread has prompted me to wonder if it was ok. The other end of the drag chain was passed around the stump and teh clasp hooked back onto the chain.
Thanks Duncan
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:06
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:06
Duncan I would see this as quite acceptable as long as the strain was taken up slowly without snatching, thereby not exceeding the load limit of the chain, strap or D's.
Cheers Craig.................
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Reply By: braggy - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:00
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:00
Can your tree protector strap be used as an equalizer strap ??
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:32
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:32
Yes. Tree trunk protectors were used before equaliser straps hit the shops. The only difference is that the tree trunk protector just lacks the cloth sleeve that protects against abrasion.
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:23
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:23
Hi Doug
When I am getting the strops out I just grab a spanner out as
well, an 18" adjuster works OK, wheel wrench or similar.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:42
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:42
I think it would be a lot better using something light without the ability to store up any kinetic energy. Heavy objects can be dangerous when flying theough the air. That why most look for "not so popular magazines and so on. We use a bit of wood. Personally I think magazines amy be a little weak.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:06
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:06
Russ,
I'm guessing you're using the spanner to separate two straps that are stuck together - not actually using the spanner to join them!!!
I also read it same as Phil at first.
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Reply By: OREJAP - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:31
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:31
If you use a towel or magazine or even a piece of soft wood, even a fairly gentle snatch, let alone a hard snatch, will clamp down on that separator so hard that you'll never get the straps apart.
The more recent recommendation is to use THREE pieces of hardwood approx 35-40mm in dia and about 200mm long put into
the gap in exactly the same way, then snugged tight by hand before commencing the snatch. That way no matter how hard the snatch is, they CANNOT be compressed to the point of being unable to knock at least one out and then simply remove the others, unlike the towel, mag, or soft wood. We USED to use a mag or towel, but found that the arguments about who got to take the double length strap
home just weren't worth it!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:42
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:42
Just soak the magazine or newspaper in water.
It works quite
well.
Regards
Derek
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Reply By: OREJAP - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:03
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:03
And a wet towel as a dampner in case something goes wrong.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:09
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:09
We have used the bit of wood which is a part of a sledge hammers broken ahndle without a problem. Each time the straps just "opushed" apart. And we were snatching 3000Kg plus 100 series LC and a patrol. Not what one would call an easy snatch either.
The straps were joined as in the original post but with the piece of wood not steele/metal.
No worries at all.
Phil
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:12
Saturday, Mar 26, 2011 at 18:12
Whoops - My mistake. They were joined like Sidewinders photo. But with wood instead of paper. NOT the original posters photo as I just said in my post.
Apologies
Phil
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:26
Sunday, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:26
I concur, done properly there's no possible way they can lock.
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