Toyota Dealer Offering a $35 100KMh Braking Simulation Adjustment
Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:54
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TerraFirma
Dropped my wifes 200 series in for a service today and they are promoting a $35 optional braking test & adjustment. They have purchased a new machine that apparently simulates 100Kmh braking tests, front and rear balance, etc that spits out a report to state if the car needs some adjustments. I found this interesting because one would assume a relatively new car 40,000kms should perform to optimum and why should I pay $35 for the privilege?
Not sure if anyone else has come across this, it's a smart play because $35 is a cheap price to ensure your car can stop efficiently and safely in case of an emergency but should you be paying it?
Reply By: dbish - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 13:23
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 13:23
In marketing its called value adding. How to increase your profitability. The dealership i worked in the mechanic test drove the vehicle after the service to make sure the vehicle steered straight & braked properly.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 13:48
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 13:48
Value Adding vs Fixed Price Servicing. It's borderline, they just rang me to say they recommend a $120 injector service (Petrol Vehicle), which I refused. They also wanted $120 to clean the cabin filter. I don't believe it is moral to promote fixed price sercvicing, then try and hit you for a list of things that one could assume should be done via a normal service.
The $120 injector service is a disconnection of the fuel pump and connection of some diagnostic equipment, the injectors stay in the vehicle.?
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:44
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:44
A good friend of
mine has a new car with 50K on the clock. He was informed during his last service that his oil system needed a flush. He ask why after only 50K would this be needed and asked for a "please explain". He was than informed that oil being a natural product will leave residue and in his case this was excessive and needed to be removed to maintain the performance. He was also informed that the foreman had personally check and agreed that it needed to be done. At this point the question was asked "What happened to the 100% synthetic oil that had been used in the car since its first service" was this not to stop the build up? The service desk then told him that they would call back. On picking up his car they informed him that they had flushed the oil at no charge. He questioned what oil had been put in the car for the last 50K and was assured it was synthetic and the build-up was a mistake.
Regards
Craig
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Follow Up By: dbish - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 16:58
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 16:58
Only time theres a oil buildup of sludge Ive seen is lack of oil changes. My wife drives a 1986 XF falcon on gas & its done over 300K, took the head of 12Mths ago to replace head gasket & i didnt see any build up of sludge & it uses mineral oil. But I do service it regularly.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:04
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:04
I once noticed a $35 charge for an Oil Flush - I told them that as Dealers, I expected them to do servicing exactly as per Manufacturer's specification. They instantly deleted the charge.
Every month the Service Manager has to report on how much he has increased profits.
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Reply By: dindy - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:34
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:34
The mechanic I take my dual fuel 80 series L/Cruiser used one of these devices when my vehicle needed a rwc for rego recently. He just drove the vehicle up onto a low level (about 100mm high) ramp installed in his workshop, with two floating pads in it, first jabbed the front brakes with the front
wheels on the pads the moved forward and placed the rear
wheels on the pad and jabbed the brakes again. When finished he handed a sheet of paper which indicated braking force front and rear,
suspension responce and wheel alingment details. This all took about 45 seconds. He said that the machine cost about $40k and extremely accurate. Saves him tearing around public streets doing brake and steering tests.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:35
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:35
Did he charge you for the privilege though..? LOL
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Reply By: get outmore - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:48
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:48
sounds alot like the old free battery check or the free
suspension check etc
im pretty sure you take the "cheap" check then get told you need an adjustment at $120 then get a call saying XX part really should be replaced - i mean you do want your family safe dont you
so $400 later...........................
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:57
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 14:57
The car is under warranty and the
services are supposed to be fixed price, it sounds more like the dealers are not enjoying the fixed price deal and inventing ways to strip your wallet. I don't mind paying for service but a vehicle with only 40,000 on the clock doesn't need a $120 injector analysis.
Here's the deal again:
1. $35 for a computerised brake analysis
2. $120 to clean a cabin filter
3. $120 to analyse the injectors
4. + the cost of the fixed price service which is supposed to be $200 odd?
What I would prefer they offered would be perhaps this:
1. $$$ to detail the car , most
places don't even wash it.
2. $$$ to add an accessory which may or may not be a good idea
3. $$$ any other good idea.?
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 16:58
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 16:58
Good afternoon,
Many years ago Dunlop produced industrial magazines that were made available to service stations. One marketing suggestion was for the service station to always recommend new tyres and a new battery.
The service station people could take comfort knowing that the new items would be better than those already on the car and therefore they were helping keep drivers and families safer. It would also lift sales.
There were no particular standards referred to in looking at the fitted items to fault them other than new was better than used.
I think this is called marketing.
Yours tropically, Harryopal
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill B1 (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 19:06
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 19:06
I was recently at a Toyota Stealer and overheard a report being given to a guy picking up his Hilux after a fixed price 30,000 service ($130). They ran through the stuff they had done and one of them was to drain the brake fluid.
1. There should be no reason to do that with the mileage indicated.
2. It would take a while to do that job and the brake fluid would have cost a bomb.
All this for $130? I think something didn't get done.
Bill
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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton W (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:43
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:43
My 08 prado d4d has just finnished its fixed servicing at $180, was as we know fixed for 2 years or 60000 k wich ever comes first. I then took it to my local service guy to do the 70k service by the book and was charged $135.
Also had to remind toyota stealer at the third service that the
services were fixed at $180k i hadnt looked at account properly as i have other things done there, they appologised and credited my account.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Apr 06, 2011 at 02:05
Wednesday, Apr 06, 2011 at 02:05
"I was recently at a Toyota Stealer and overheard a report being given to a guy picking up his Hilux after a fixed price 30,000 service ($130). They ran through the stuff they had done and one of them was to drain the brake fluid.
1. There should be no reason to do that with the mileage indicated.
2. It would take a while to do that job and the brake fluid would have cost a bomb."
Changing the brake fluid is (I think) 40,000km or 2 years, so it may
well have been due.
Its actually a very quick and easy job to do with their gear, doesnt require bleeding it just flushes.
I did my HDJ100 myself and it only uses about less than 1 litre ((under $20 genuine DOT3 fluid)
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:13
Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:13
I had my Pajero go into Limphome Mode with ASC + ABS light on
They said I needed a new battery - I refused to buy it off them - they said I would need to bring it back and pay for a Steering Wheel Sensor Recalibration - it actually does that automatically.
The fault recurred the next day - they said I needed a Steering Alignment at my cost to prevent the ASC light coming on - I said I'll get it done at a Steering Specialist. I didn't get it done and the light hasn't come on - replacing the Intake Pressure sensor under warranty fixed the Limphome+ASC problem !!!!
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Follow Up By: goddosglory - Wednesday, Apr 06, 2011 at 21:19
Wednesday, Apr 06, 2011 at 21:19
just want to make sure i,ve got this right...firstly you want the car for less than the dealer bought it for...secondly ..you want it dealer serviced for less than what it costs to employ qualified people dealer trained to do the job..thirdly when you sell it ...you want more than you paid for it ...because it,s got a brand name...
all promoted by the crook who sold it to you in the first place...LOL..
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