Girl mauled by Fraser Island dingo

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Its a great place but you do need to take care.

See this news report.

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Reply By: Rosss- Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:09

Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:09
Easily Fixed, Get rid of the tourists, no more problems.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:40

Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:40
more like parents supervise their kids better IMHO.
i have 2 young kids (one aged same as girl "attacked") and we left Fraser on Sunday after spending a week there beach camping. we had dingoes through our camp daily and one day we had 3 visits on the same day (not including the ones that come through at night whilst your asleep) and our kids managed not to get "attacked".
the amount of kids i saw alone out on dunes with parents nowhere to be seen was rediculous. it's a wonder more kids aren't "attacked" by the dingoes IMHO. read the warnings on DERM site and pamphlet they give you, and the barge landing zone is mentioned as somewhere to be extra careful around.
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:17

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:17
In the article it says she was standing between adults so hardly running around unsupervised.

What more are they supposed to do.


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Follow Up By: rumpig - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 08:04

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 08:04
it says momentarily between 2 adults, it doesn't say how far apart they were. you say standing between as in beside each other, i doubt the dingoes would go near the kid if that's the case.
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:03

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:03
Read the reply I just posted seems to be different to original story
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 15:39

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 15:39
i doubted very much that the child was near the adults to be attacked, either way it is a good thing that injuries to the child were minor, i'd hate to have heard it being otherwise.
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Follow Up By: Geobserver - Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:28

Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:28
What sort of holiday is it when you have to be next to your kids the whole time (and I mean for both parents and kids). Camping trips are times for kids to explore a few things on their own which they can't in the city. I say cull the dingoes rather than ban the tourists.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:04

Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:04
yeah it's a hard life when you have to spend time playing with your kids instead of letting them run wild.

if your not willing to look after your kids on Fraser then don't bother going, it's that type of people that are spoiling a place i've been taking my kids since they were both 6 mths old and camping on the beach without ever an incident.
even the father of the child who was bitten has said the dingos are part of the attraction of Fraser Island, culling them is a rediculous idea, try people reading the DERM information they are handed before they land on the island.
one of the warnings given says....

"Areas with increased dingo activity
Aggressive dingo activity has recently been reported at Eurong beachfront and between Eli Creek and Cathedral
Beach (including the Pinnacles) and near the Hook Point barge landing area."

......yet these people let their 3 yr old child wander off into the dunes alone in one of the very spots specifically mentioned in the warning.
my kids have come camping with us on Fraser with the dingos, Cape York with the crocs and snakes (we saw heaps of both), out through The Simpson Desert and many other places inbetween. they loved every minute of it and so have we, but we watch them like hawks so we don't end up at like that families holiday ended.
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Follow Up By: Geobserver - Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:11

Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:11
Hmmm... I'm not quite in the 'let the kids run wild' bracket, but do believe they need time to explore the world without parents hovering over them all the time, balanced of course with spending plenty of time with them as well.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:29

Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:29
yes it's all relevent to where you are holidaying at the time IMHO, which was the problem in this instance. our kids get to run off heaps and do as they please, just not on Fraser Island or other places i mentioned earlier, as they don't understand the dangers such a location can involve, they still love those place though.
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Reply By: Teraa - Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:16

Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 21:16
After watching National Parks on Frazer Island for 2 years I was disturbed by the by their lack of care or want for the dingo unless it got in the media that's why they didn't like the photgrapher. When they put the fences up they should have put in a feeding program 1. to intice the dingo away from the public 2. to get them back into feeding themselves. Does anyone really agree that starving a animal was going to do any good for anyone. We all have to take the blame for their current menatlity because it was the public that feed them for so long. National Parks don't answer for their mistakes they just take the tax money and don't do much good. Kakadu got 30 million for operations and Australian natives died, why ? I do however feel for the liitle girl and her family it would be a fright for life.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:03

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:03
the dingoes are far from starving, the ones we had through our camp were very healthy and i even made comment about one being pretty big in size due to how much it's been eating.
we found about a dozen turtle nests dug up on the beach with all eggs eaten, i've seen how much food they steal from campsites with rubbish bags and general food like bread left out whislt people are away from camp. they also dig up the fish frames people bury in the sand on the beach aswell as what ever they eat in the bush that they find.
it's about educating the public about what can happen on the island due to WILD dogs being there.
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Reply By: Bruce P2 - Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 23:28

Monday, Apr 25, 2011 at 23:28
Perhaps they should round them all up and send them to the USA:

Dingo in USA

Not to sure if it's even legal to export them.

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Follow Up By: Teraa - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:09

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:09
I don't like the thought of domestication it would be better than being slowly but surley shot out which is what will happen going on what I saw. But at least someone cares enough to do something about them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:20

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:20
Hi Teraa,

The Dingo is far from endangered in this country despite media claims to the contrary.

I Live in the bush between Kempsey and Port Macquarie and I have them roaming all over my place and I have even shot one in my back yard. They have inter bred with domestic dogs to such an extent that I would be surprised if there are any pure dogs out there except for Frazer Island. The colours I see, from red kelpies to alsation looking dogs is astounding. They, in general have not given me too much of a problem but I do know of some who have had problems of stock losses.

These are wild animals and should be treated as such. Meaning they should be treated with extreme caution and wariness. The same applies to kangaroos as we feed the roos in our yard, from our verandah, and they do get aggressive sometimes and I often think how much damage they could do with their front feet not to mention their back legs. Especially on young children.

I would not let kids near either animal and I would be very vigilant if either animal was about when kids were present.

Just my experience. I think both animals in the wild are dangerous.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:37

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:37
Just in case anyone is thinking I am advocating eradication of dingoes or kangaroos, I am not. I just think interaction between them and humans should be kept to a minimum.
Frazer Island is a good example in this idea. A difficult case to deal with.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 16:57

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 16:57
Gday Bruce,
Im confused?
You say "The Dingo is far from endangered in this country despite media claims to the contrary. "
But then say "They have inter bred with domestic dogs to such an extent that I would be surprised if there are any pure dogs out there except for Frazer Island"
Wouldnt that mean you think they (purebreads) are becoming endanged????

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 18:09

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 18:09
Hi Hairy,

Purebreds endangered yes, but the cross breeds are still dingoes and can be dangerous.

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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:16

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:16
My first thought when I read this was that it was probably "getting back" on something it's own size for a previous kicking or suchlike. I have seen people mistreating dingos many times and Dingos don't forget.

When living in Malaysia I had a "Kampong dog" which I understand from DNA tests is what a Dingo is or where they originated from. It had many Dingo traits like licking inside the mouth of other dogs to have food regurgitated.

When it was mistreated it would lay low for a while then get revenge. For example we had an obnoxious child visit who ran over it's tail with a bike, It went away crying then after an hour or so, ran over and bit the bum out of the kid's pants.
I also was in the vicinity of another Fraser reported attack many years ago, when some English kids were bitten. What I saw was some kids chasing/playing with 4 pups with a bitch looking on . Doesn't take much of a stretch to conclude that a kid may have caused a pup to cry or carry it too far from mum.

So I don't blame Dingos unreservedly. It is often people who cause the problem and they are not the ones who then get shot unfortunately.
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Reply By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:07

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:07
A follow-up to the news item.

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Reply By: snoopyone - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:02

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:02
On Nine news it paints a different story

Wonder which is the truth

Nine News take on it
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Reply By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 14:48

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2011 at 14:48
I think what Bruce said above is very pertinent................
.............."These are wild animals and should be treated as such."

I first saw the risk with these dingoes on Fraser Island 25 years ago when a pair were intently watching my four year old son at our campsite. Even then people were feeding these "lovely doggies". Not us.

AND, on the same trip, I was chased by a very large aggressive goanna when I tried to shoo it away from advancing on our picnic table. It too knew where food could be had!

I don't trust any wild animals........... not even Taipans!

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Reply By: Teraa - Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 21:47

Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 21:47
Okay lets agree to disagree on labels lets say if your really interested get yourself on a good science site and find that there has been some great research and there is indicators to follow that give you an idea what is say a
' dingo' at least 5 at of 10 indactators but no brindle heads or spots and definitely no barking or fat ones. After that lets say the rest are 'wild dogs' and should be feared even more, it's simply a different kind of dog. I work and live with dingos not a bad batch getting more and more good indicators each puping. Why, well there is no domestic dog influence here anymore.There would have been domestic dog influences in the dingo on Fraser just less than maybe anywhere else. Personally I lost count of the domestic dogs I saw coming on Fraser mainly by boaties than campers. We use to point them out to National Parks but they were to busy running home not alot of passion for their work. Maybe if they had more thought on the fence instead of fencing people maybe it should have been the dingo should have had their own resort away from people and their bad habits. They are curious, mischievous and no I wouldn't let a small child wander of on their own as I wouldn't let them swim in the ocean on Fraser to be eaten by the sharks or run over by the 4WD. I had trouble dealing with the highway from hell as an adult. I f you want to let your children run free in the bush as I did myself I guess it's a bit of pot luck whether they come out in one piece or not and your responsibilty not the dingo if they are hurt.
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Thursday, Apr 28, 2011 at 13:06

Thursday, Apr 28, 2011 at 13:06
Hi Everyone, IMHO I have never liked the idea of Humans getting to close to wild animals on some instances WE invade their territory. What does irritate me is hypercritical actions of the authorities...if a shark takes/attacks a fisherman/surfer we hear s/ments like "It's not the sharks fault. It should not be caught & killed" When a croc takes someone off a river bank or in the water the croc is not killed....but if a wild dog attacks a human...."let's identify it & kill it/them" Maybe when a domestic dog attacks a human not only should we put the dog down but the owner as well!!! After all it is the owner's responsibility to look after THEIR dog.
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