Gear Ratios, Robin may be able to help on this one ??

Submitted: Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:51
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Have no idea what these specs mean but can anyone tell me which is the better of the two, mine is the first one which is 5 speed auto, are these good figures in regards to low range first or not enough information, not sure what the difference is between high and low range...


Transmission: 5-speed auto, full time 4WD via torque sensing centre diff, 2-speed transfer case. rear LSD
Gear Ratios (overall reduction)
First: 3.520 (13.119/33.663)
Second: 2.042 (7.610/19.529)
Third: 1.400 (5.218/13.389)
Fourth: 1.000 (3.727/9.563)
Fifth: 0.716 (2.668/6.847)
Reverse: 3.224 (12.016/30.833)
Axle Ratio: 3.727:1
High/low ratio: 1.000/2.566



First: 2.804:1
Second: 1.531:1
Third: 1.000:1
Fourth: 0.705:1
Fifth: -
Reverse: 2.393:1
Final: 3.909:1
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:03

Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:03
Hi Kimba

The figures refer to the total gear ratio from engine to rear axle.

In your first case the max ratio is 3.52 X 3.727 X (low range 2.566) = 33.66 as you see in your top line.

In your second case the high to low range ratio is missing so don't know final ratio.


The 33.66 figure overall is a little on the low side , but wheel diameter and engine torque also comes into play before you can say one is good or bad.
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Follow Up By: nick b - Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:46

Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:46
Kimba are asking ,you dont understand gear ratio general or just these ratio's ?
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 13:30

Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 13:30
Quote - "The 33.66 figure overall is a little on the low side"

Don't forget that when you are comparing auto vehicles with manuals you have to add up to 2:1 for the torque converter. A torque converter adds to the torque multiplication just as mechanical gears do.

It's a pity that manufacturers do not specify what the maximum torque multiplication ratio is available in the vehicle just as they specify the torque multiplication ratios of the gear boxes, transfer cases and diffs.


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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 23:48

Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 23:48
Sorry guys for some reason I didnt get an email with these follow ups, just checked the thread and come accross them now.

Nick, just ratios in general. Its like when you hear some one saying that one vehicle has a heaps better low range then another, eg I find the prado is fairly good low range BUT if I was comparing it to my old 2.8D hilux, the hilux felt like it was heaps better in low range, eg would walk down the steepest hills and not have to use the brake where as the prados I have had/have even though are good no comparison to the hilux BUT all the prados have been auto but last one was diesel, the first prado was petrol, 2nd diesel (both 95 series) now 120 petrol auto,also my 120 has the 5 speed auto over the 4 speed auto. How would these figures compare to say Robins new petrol patrol ?? Not a toyota versus nissan crap thing, but is say the prado better in low range then say Robins patrol both been auto and both petrol ??? Is this where the gear ratio numbers come into play ??

Hi Peter I have heard some thing about been able to put in a cabin switch that you can flick on when in say low range 1st gear and is has some thing to do with the torque converter, more or less making it like a manual so will hold back better or am I mislead/misunderstood what I read ??

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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Saturday, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:20

Saturday, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:20
Gooday Kimba ; gear ratio in general .
1: 340 = 1 turn to 340 turns . so in a diff 1:4.7 = 1 turn of the tail shaft to 4.7 turns of the axle = the bigger the number of axle turns ,the low the ratio .
but it comes back to how much house power you have = more power & auto will climb hills better than less power lower ratio ( in general ) I think I'm right in saying that . when going down hills in most autos they don't hold like a manual .
but there is nothing worse than no power and not a good low range !!!
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Apr 30, 2011 at 16:41

Saturday, Apr 30, 2011 at 16:41
Quote - "gear ratio in general .
1: 340 = 1 turn to 340 turns . so in a diff 1:4.7 = 1 turn of the tail shaft to 4.7 turns of the axle = the bigger the number of axle turns ,the low the ratio . "

I think you have this back to front. gear ratios for a diff would be 4.7:1 - the tail shaft turns faster than the axle. Also the motor turns faster than the tail shaft in the lower gears, the same speed in top gear and slower in overdrive.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 18:33

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 18:33
Just in from another fun filled weekend and noticed your replies Kimba.

There is little difference between the Prado and Patrol in this respect - both are lousy.

I took this into account when researching cars and as soon as I got my Patrol I changed its low range gear increasing it by 48% , now its acceptable - note not good but acceptable
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Tuesday, May 03, 2011 at 22:15

Tuesday, May 03, 2011 at 22:15
Hay Nom nav ; did I bugger that up or what !!!! 1: 4.7 = 1 to 4.7 !!! not that I have to worrie about that as I have landcruiser with real power ( cruiers rule) LOL
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