Lets Talk Rubbish... Once Again!!

Submitted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 11:51
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I just returned from a week of touring the Victorian High Country.
The weather was perfect and the scenery brilliant as usual and the four wheel driving was fantastic.

One thing that left a very bad taste in my mouth once again was the rubbish left behind by the idiots that elect to travel these magnificent areas and show zero respect!!
Why does this happen so often??
Why bother visiting these areas and treating the place like crap, these people should just stay home and litter their own house.

These pictures are what I cleared out of one campfire that was still warm.
When will people learn that Bottles/glass, Tinfoil, Bottle tops and Aluminum cans DON'T burn in the campfire!!!

Rubbish just scattered about the fire without any thought or concern.
I won't mention the dunny paper in the trees and bush :-((

You bring it in....Take it out!!

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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:03

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:03
We found exactly the same just north of Bruthen, absolute pigs!

I also notice in your photos the firewood in the fireplace, it is against the law to burn wood longer than 1 metre in an open camp fire.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:14

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:14
Hi Shaker
Those photo were taken at Buckwon but we did see crap at other locations.
Yes I cut up the long lengths of timber after I cleaned up the place.

As I said why don't the pricks just stay home, the bush would be a better place.


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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 17:10

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 17:10
It's also illegal to leave the wood in the fire place when leaving the area. It was commented that it was still warm, therefore there is also the chance of reignition.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 18:27

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 18:27
The creek is right beside the camp site, it was no issue to get a couple of buckets of water and wet down the remnants before departure.

I either wet my fires down (preferred method) or bury them when departing.

But I guess if they don't care about the rubbish they don't care about the residual heat or over length timber.

The recent laws brought into Victoria to try and keep fires a sensible size and reduce the possible risk of it getting out of control are quite reasonable in my view and maybe adoption nation wide will have a positive impact in reducing the chance of it getting out of control.

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Reply By: Marion - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:05

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:05
Hi John,

I soo agree with you, we have had to do the same things a couple of times, It doesn't take any time to clean up after yourself but it seems to be the same old story of "some people haven't been taught what is the right thing to do".
But because we love our outdoors we are left to do what is right.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:28

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:28
Hi Marion
Whilst these pictures were taken in the High Country I have seen the same at the beach and in the deserts, some of the most beautiful and remote locations are being spoiled by a few pigs.

I was at the Calvert Ranges in WA a few years ago and spent an hour picking up toilet paper, I made the comment that the indigenous owners would soon stop issuing permits to visit because of influences like this.
Unfortunately my comment has come to fruition with now no access to that beautiful and remote part of the country.

And they wonder why we are slowly being locked out of areas of the country.

Just bloody sad!!

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:41

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:41
John, we are finding that it is just about every fireplace that is full of cans & glass.
I don't understand why people feel the need to throw these items into the fire in the first place.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:45

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:45
Shaker,

cans are thrown into the fire place to burn off the remaining food so they dont smell or attract flies when fished out and stored for disposal

- not that that seems to have happened
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Follow Up By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 14:16

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 14:16
Yes Shaker,

I burn my food and drink cans, and anything else classed as rubbish on the last night of a camp. Clean the fireplace out in the morning when all has cooled down fully.

Very little smell in the wagon on the way home, as the food has been burnt out. But, as I said, I clean up and take my burnt rubbish home!

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:19

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:19
I also burn out my food cans in the fire but remove them before leaving the camp.
And along with my aluminum cans and plastic bottles I crush them and take them with me.
I only really burn paper products and some packaging.

All of this rubbish is maybe 10 percent of the original volume after crushing and a pittance of the original weight with contents.
My rubbish goes in a rear rubbish bag on the rear spare.
Easy as and no smells or dramas, I have carried rubbish like this for 3 to 4 weeks on some outback trips.
It takes no time and is no drama to do, when I get to a town etc I use the appropriate bins.

This fire along with others had stubby caps, ally tinfoil both in the fire and scattered around it plus lots of glass.
None of this stuff burns completely.

One saving grace on this trip, I didn't see a disposable nappy dumped haphazardly....Lucky me :-((
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:09

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:09
Hi John,
Totally agree, but I think it is a waste of time trying to get through to some people, they don't have the brains they were born with.

About the only thing we can do is, as you did, clean up after the dirty mongrels.
I suppose someone has to and if it makes us feel better, as it does me, then I guess we will continue. May be one day they will wake up just how much they rubbished their great country.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:21

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:21
Thats the simple problem isn't it Bruce, they just think someone else can deal with their inability to even think for themselves.

I would love to visit their home and return their rubbish with interest if I knew who they were.
At the very least I would take great pleasure in testifying against these pigs if the opportunity ever presented itself.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:35

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:35
John, that is the problem, they don't think and if the do they don't give a cr@p.
Try challenging them and you have a brawl on your hands. As you say we would be better off if they stayed at home.

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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:17

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:17
On the upside however most of the crap has been sterilised in the fire ready for pick-up and removal by other kind soles. Don't seem to come across much staff turfed out of windows in the HC but the deserts are probably another story. It's the used dunny paper in the bushes that I find most objectionable and more likely to be associated with bogans. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:25

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 13:25
G'day John ~ fellow ExplorOz members
Your forum post regarding litter/garbage willingly left behind by people travelling into remote places or just travelling along any of the highways throughout the nation, got me thinking. I am at present putting this reply together,sitting in the relative comfort of my caravan, in a leafy caravan park on the outskirts of Perth. I watched the Easter weekend campers pack their various "canvas castles and palaces" and head for some place new or possibly home? but the litter left behind was quite astonishing, beer bottles and take away food packaging the most obvious, the poor buggers that manage the park can't even control the problem within the boundary of the grassed camping area.

Anyway the trip south(ish) from the Pilbara was quite unremarkable apart from the staggering amount of litter/garbage along the sides of the Great Northern Highway ~ very visable at the junction of drains and storm water catchment points, most of which has been there for years ~ possibly longer.

I made a pointed comment to my wife, saying something along the lines, that with all the "bored" inmates in various places of residence, be that a minimum security venue or an illegal immigrant detention centre, like what the Feds have set up around the nation on Commonwealth Property, they should get these poor hard done by inmates out into the sunshine, collecting the litter and possibly earing their keep at the same time.

I don't think it would be un-Australian or inhumane, it would actually give a bunch of people including their minders something to do, instead of worrying about someone falling or jumping off a rooftop. ;0)
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Reply By: spudseamus - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 15:52

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 15:52
I see it all the time and im sick of cleaning it up!!! but at least you got the pole and pot chain they left behind??
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:06

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:06
Nah mate that is one installed by Parks Vic, you see them in the more commonly used camp areas more to mark the designated fire place than anything else.
Most are so filthy that I would not use them.
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Reply By: mike39 - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:30

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 16:30
John.
I do appreciate your post, it very much saddens me to read what is happening to that Victorian wonderland.

In the 1950's my mates and I would ride our motorbikes (BSA,AJS,Trumpy etc.) into those areas, camp gear tied on the back, fly rods ready to tease the wily trout.

Very pristine in those days, the only 4wd one would ever see was a Landy, Jeep, Inter. Scout, or a 4x4 Blitz., and they (as us) always showed great respect for the bush.
The other folk were the Vic. Bushwalker group, (of which I was one).

I worked in the local timber industry, I never knew one who was not a good environmentalist. Loved the high country, always saddened when it was burnt.

As I said, I appreciate your post, but I hate what I read and see.
Its probably now too late.
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Reply By: Member Bushy 04(VIC) - Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 17:44

Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 17:44
Well said John,
some people are just idiots, they don't seem to realise that they are the ones that are closing down the bush to everyone.
Like you we did a big clean up out West on our last trip and you had to wonder at who would leave a site so bad.
To bad we cannot name and shame them, as they deserve it.
It might just make a difference.


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Reply By: SIF4X4 - Monday, May 02, 2011 at 18:36

Monday, May 02, 2011 at 18:36
Its not just campers.................

Mining and prospecting companies leave their leftovers anywhere they like. The Victorian Goldfields is an example and even in remote parts of the Simpson Desert and Western Australia you will find discarded stuff.

It's a couldn't care less attitude. 'Someone can clean up after me' syndrome.

We came across a convoy of fishermen in outback Queensland. We were having lunch on the banks of a river. They pulled up and said G'day and had some beers, sangers whatever and other drinks and threw the lot on the ground and walked away. We grabbed a handy rubbish bag, picked the rubbish up and threw the bag onto the tray of the convoy leader before they could move off. In hindsight it was probably a dangerous thing to do as they could have been nasty but luckily they were embarrassed enough to drive off not looking at us.

Cheers

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