EGT gauge
Submitted: Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:07
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Member - Noel C (NSW)
Can anyone explain why they would fit such a device as this (Exhaust Gas Temp gauge?
I,m looking to fitting a 3" Exhaust and chip to my 4.2 factory turbo crusier and am not sure what (If any) benfit such a device would give me?
Thx
Reply By: Rob! - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:35
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:35
It provides a far better and more exact measure of the temperate your engine is operating at and whether the turbo is cool enough to shut down.
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Follow Up By: Member - Noel C (NSW) - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:44
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:44
Ok so I,m presuming the turbo should be shut down (Turn ignition off) at a minimum temperature. With a chip an 3" exhaust I,m presuming the turbo will run hotter hence need to get one of these EGT devices??
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:47
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:47
Yep. Although it should be said, It is nice to have an EGT guage, you don't actually "need" it.
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Follow Up By: Wokwon - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:58
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 10:58
Also, with a chipped car, to make sure you don't exceed the turbos max safe operating temperature.
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Reply By: howesy - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:06
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:06
Put simply the more diesel added the more heat generated. some tunes or tuners under can have too much fuel going in under certain conditions or loads and some diesels that have electronics the electronics can be responsible for bad signals that result in over supply of fuel.
If you get too much fuel going in you can completely disintegrate your engine or burn holes or tops off your pistons.
An EGT guage lets you know if your temps are getting too high and you can back off and have it investigated before you
shell out for a 10 to 15K rebuild. go to the nissan patrol
forum and see how many owners of the 3.0L turbo have had them fitted its almost a must for those guys.
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:20
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:20
Exactly and it also tells you what your motor is doing all the time
Eg when towing People just blast up the
hill in whatever gear goes.
However you may find the EGT is getting up
well over 500deg.
Time to drop a gear and back off especially in a Grenade.
Most EGT's are post turbo and it is reliably said on Lcool that the preturbo temp will be at least 200deg more than that.
Pistons can melt at 800deg so think about it.
Also making your engine lug in 5th when towing will also put the temp up
Mine in 4th auto runs at 325deg Drop it into 5thO/D on a flat road at 90kph and the temp goest straight up over 400deg
Thats why we have them
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Follow Up By: Member - Noel C (NSW) - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:34
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 11:34
Ok Thanks,
Can one recommend a good brand and a place that fits them in the
Sydney area (I,m not mechanically minded)?
What sort of cost should I expect to pay?
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:04
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:04
I bought an Autometer one from atlanticspeed.com and they are only about $149
Here you would expect to pay up to $350
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 14:45
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 14:45
Exactly what Snoopyone says.
We also fitted a boost gauge to our Patrol and monitor both; with no overheating and no over boosting, "it ain't gunna be a grenade"
Motherhen
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:29
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:29
hi noel c
if you google - exhaust gas temperature -
you will get a smorgasboard of feed back relating to the topic and are an invaluable read pros and cons
the egt is a valuble piece of equiptmt if you are towing a heavy loads as you can adjust the way you drive and in which gear and/or speed you travel at
in relation to the engines heat build up and also can be fitted to the transmission if you desire
only after fitting and driving with one will you realize how hot an engine can actualy get particulary in the hotter months
while they are not absolutely an extreme neccessity they are good for the longivity of an engine and drive line if you intend doing long km's with your beloved rig
google and read then make up your own mind
they dont cost much for the piece of mindthey provide
cheers barry
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:32
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:32
I found a Auto temp gauge was a bit of a waste of money.
Only once has it got up over 90 deg and never moves above 70 most of the time
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:49
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 12:49
Hi Noel,
The max temp I have been told for exhaust gas temps is 550 C post turbo. No more than that or it could get very costly. This is for a cruiser.
A ZD 30 may be less.
I do not shut my engine down untill it has cooled to 200 or just under for preference.
Over fueling is one cause for excessive temps and a retarded pump will do it also according to one diesel mechanic I spoke to. This guy teaches diesel tech at a tech college and has over 50 years of experience so I suppose I should heed what he says.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:31
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:31
Retarded drivers can do it also ROFL
Yep my turbo timer allows it to get down to 200 before turning it off.
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Reply By: pt_nomad - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:56
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 13:56
Check out
http://www.thermoguard.com.au/
After highway cruising I find it takes a lot longer >3mins to drop back down to my shut down temp.
Similary, I use it to know when not to push up
hill, esp. usefull on a 1hz cruiser with after market turbo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 15:46
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 15:46
I also fitted a thermoguard unit to my pajero(which has a d'tronic computer).
It certainly changed my driving habits especially when towing the van up steep inclines.
Cheers.
Vince
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, May 16, 2011 at 17:55
Monday, May 16, 2011 at 17:55
Pretty much the same reasons already covered Noel... I fitted a VDO EGT (AKA pyrometer) for about $350, and a VDO boost gauge (About $120)
I monitor what my EGT is, and try to keep it as low as possible..... but there are factors to consider, whether I'm towing, ambient temp, flat road or mountains etc....
When the EGT rises to around 550°C, I back off till the boost gauge drops to about 7psi (
mine is set for a max of 11psi). usually I can keep driving with minimal drop in speed but the EGT starts to fall immediately. If it doesn't fall, then I change to a lower gear. Often it's more effective driving to be in a lower gear than a higher one, keeps the temp down and the motor happier.
When stopping, I allow
mine to idle down to about 150-170°C before shutting the engine down. Sometimes it takes a few minutes, but that's cheap in comparison to blowing a turbo, or worse, blowing the motor.
Hope this helps......
Cheers
Brian
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Reply By: rudi s - Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 08:55
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 08:55
This discussion just comes at the right time for me.
I have decided to fit a EGT gauge to my Cruiser 1 HZ with aftermarket turbo within the next couple of weeks, and thinking of the Thermo guard. Just one question. Should the probe be fitted before or after the turbo and what do you guys think about Thermo Guard
Regards
Rudi
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 11:20
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 11:20
Hi Rudi.
I had excellent service from Ian at Thermo Guard.
Cheers.
Vince
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 14:24
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 14:24
Its easier to fit AFTER and just think its 200deg hotter than what its reading
Unless you already have a place in the manifold to fit it or have the manifold off it is an expensive exercise to put it in there.
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Follow Up By: rudi s - Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:13
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:13
Thanks for the info Guys,
I might reconsider the placement of the probe. I was under the impression that it should be fitted before the turbo to protect the same, but it seems the preferred place is after. Is the reason for this the cost and ease of fitting it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 09:46
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 09:46
Hi Rudi,
The "best" location is before the turbo, but that is relatively expensive and difficult to install. It is far easier to do post-turbo but you do not know the actual exit temp of the gases. Wiith no load (idle), the temp drop across a turbo can be as little as a few C, but under full load it can be as high as 200C.
Its the pre-turbo temp that does the damage, so measuring after the turbo means you have to infer what the pre-turbo temp is. I use 200C, but what if its actually 230C?
Cheers
Captain
PS. My EGT is after the turbo.
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Follow Up By: rudi s - Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 20:42
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 20:42
thanks captain,
Just as I thought. I will check out the cost for both fitting options before I make a decision
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 15:47
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 15:47
Hi Noel,
I have fitted a
CHIPIT EGT gauge on my 200 series cruiser as well as their chip. I went for the Chipit as their EGT gauge connects to the Chip. It will automatically change the tune back to standard tune if your EGT exceeds the high alarm limit (you choose the high alarm setting). Once EGT's drop back below the low level (you set the low temp), the program will change back up to the higher tune level. And, you can install a switch in the cab to to turn the Chipit off whenever you want.
The EGT/Chip connection feature is great as it automatically looks after your engine EGT if you don't happen to have your eye on the EGT gauge. You can still do all the good stuff like less right foot, lower gear etc... but to have the program automatically change with high EGT's is a great backup.
As far as I know, no other EGT gauge or chip work together like this and given that a Chipit chip and EGT gauge price is about the same, or less, than other brand chips alone, and that its an Australian company with its own workshops, well it sold me :)
Cheers
Captain
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