rubbish, rubbish everywhere, and yes! a bin in sight

Submitted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 at 22:01
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Greetings all. We are one month into our 5 months long trip in WA. Flew into Perth and after saying gidday to the kids and grandies left Margaret river. Travelled via Perth and than turned left towards Kalgoorlie. After exploring some of the wheatbelt had the compulsary stop are Hydon to look at Wave Rock. Took the dirt road to Southern Cross and than onto the town of the superpit. Tonight we are camped up in Leinster and have mainly done free camps along the way.
My gripe is with the ......... who toss their cans, bottles and other rubbish from their vehicles while driving. Or worse still stop at a designated parking or rest area and decide to dump their rubbish along the roadside, often within sight of those bright coloured yellow bins.
I have stopped along the roadside quite a few times thus far and walked back along the roadside to take photographs. The amount of rubbish is unbelievable and there are still people who don't know that glass often breaks on impact.
I know those clever people in hospitals don't do brain transplants as yet.
Knowing that there are many casual visitors on this great site I just wanted to bring this subject to the attention of readers once again.
Keep Australia beautiful.

Regards and safe travel.
Cheers, Case
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Reply By: The other Norm C (WA) - Sunday, May 29, 2011 at 23:27

Sunday, May 29, 2011 at 23:27
I have to agree with you on this
It doesn't seem to matter where we go
the road side is littered with cans and bottles
doesn't matter if your close to town or remote
when ever you stop there will be a discarded
can or bottle or worse
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 00:33

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 00:33
I whole heartedly agree with you, that is also my gripe here in WA, there is a simple solution to the bottles and cans and that is to put a refund on them, at least that will get rid of them. SA has a refund, I think it's 5c and you don't see any cans or bottles on the side of the ride over there. It certainly is a problem here in the West, it 's frustrating driving along and seeing the place look like a rubbish dump.



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Follow Up By: Nickywoop - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 06:33

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 06:33
Yes it is a disgrace in all states bar SA where the refund is .10 cents per can, bottle, fruit juice and flavored milk cartons. The deposit is printed on all containers sold Australia wide, but you only get refunds from recycling depots in SA.

People still chuck them out on the roadsides, but they are promptly picked up by people who make a good living (pensioners etc) riding scooters along the roads collecting them, thats why the roadsides are so clean in SA.

This deposit system should be Australia wide.

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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 08:25

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 08:25
Have to agree but it is not just along the road. After a many years of success of the Clean Up Australia campaign in our area (rural edge of Sydney) we are now seeing a big rise in illegal dumping. Just last night some **** dumped what would be a box trailer load of rubbish in the bush just 200m from our property. There have been numerous others over the last year.

I am sure that everyone has ideas as to why this seems to have got worse recently, but a solution is hard to work out. The police are busy elsewhere and the councils do not have the funds to do much.

Frustrating after all the work that was done to clean up our area by locals.

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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:11

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:11
The answer is not that hard. BIG fines for dumping. No fees for Tip access. Put a leavy on rates to cover it...

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 15:00

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 15:00
Hi Alistair, Our tip is about 3/4 of an hour drive away then we have to pay $20 for a 6x4 trailer load of rubbish, and yes it's not surprising that we have the same problem where we are, go into the bush and there it is, trailer loads of rubbish. There is still no need for the littering like that as we have a 6 monthly rubbish pick up which the cost is on the rates, we also have the rubbish disposal fees on the rates as well so in that sense there really is no need for the trailer loads of rubbish in the bush.



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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 17:30

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 17:30
Cleanaway Transfer Station in Bayswater WA is the closest drop off (10km round trip) for rubbish the next is Red Hill (100km round trip+/-). Cleanaway is $74.00 for a 6x4 trailer. Red Hill is $34.
I pay the appropriate fee whilst others would prefer to dump there rubbish just off the road.

Thats why I beleve to stop those that dont care we will all need to wear the cost..
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 19:47

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 19:47
Yeah you are right Craig, maybe a combination of ALL shires/councils putting a waste disposal levy on rates, reduced tip fees(maybe something like $10 for a 6x4 trailer) a scheme like SA has with 0.10c deposit on cans, bottles and whatever and very stiff fines for anyone caught dumping. I'm thinking like $1000 first offence not a few hundred, some amount that will make people think twice.
Unfortunately we will always have a portion of the population that have the IQ of a molusc and need a hard lesson to teach the errors of their ways.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 20:21

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 20:21
Craig F, yep Red Hill is the one I was talking about, I didn't know that the price had jumped to $34, we haven't used it for a while, we organise our rubbish so we don't have to spend the day trying to get there but yes if need be we use it. I would never leave any rubbish laying around.
We go out to get fire wood from the Calm firewood areas and it makes me mad that even out there (National Park) that people will still leave their rubbish behind. Grrrrrrr.



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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 21:47

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 21:47
A lot of Councils these days do not even own or operate a tip. These days running a landfill facility is horrendously expensive and comes with a litany of environmental conditions so its no surprise a lot of Councils got out of it.

Residents of the Cockburn district still get 6 tip passes to the Cockburn tip with their rates notice every year. For everyone else, you have to pay.

Here in Wait Awhile, we already pay a landfill levy to the State, via our Council rates. So I don't think jacking the levy more is the solution. Better support for recycling solutions, better public awareness of littering/Keep Australia Beautiful etc and stronger fines are the answer in my view.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 09:15

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 09:15
Hi Case

It is about time the other states in Australia have a good look at what we have had in place for decades her in SA. Just like the other states, there was resentment at the thought of a deposit levy and many groups voiced their thoughts very loudly. It was passed and the end result is as you see today, very few cans, bottles and flavoured milk containers in rubbish bins and along the roadside.

Even here in Clare there are a couple of pensioners that walk the streets twice a day, clearing the bins and the street of all goods that there is a deposit on. A lot of people call the old guy's "Bin Scabs", but hey they make over $100 each week in extra pocket money and do the rest of the community a favour.

So come on the other States here in Australia, if you are serious about your roadside litter, bring in the same deposit as we have here in SA and just watch what happens and it is all great fro the environment.



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Follow Up By: Honky - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 09:37

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 09:37
Recently I was talking to two Council people.
One does not charge for the tip as long as you sort the recyclables.
They do not have dumping issues in their shire.
The other Council has very high tip charges.
They have a lot of dumping in their shire.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce T (SA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:55

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:55
Absolutely right Stephen. I read some time ago an Eastern State government (I think NSW) saying that it would be too expensive to introduce a deposit system. We've recyled our cans, bottles etc for years, put the money in a jar and used it when it accumulated to buy some camping gear. Quite a few bits of our equipment are 'kind regards to recycling.' :) But then we're South Aussies. :)

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Reply By: B1B2 - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:40

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 10:40
G'day Case,
Number one don't let it spoil your trip.
The only solution I have is, at every campsite you stay, pick up more than your own rubbish. You will never educate people who leave rubbish.
We were recently at the huge campsite Italian Flat near Dargo, and it was so clean you couldn't fill a 2 litre bucket with other rubbish, and there were heaps of trail bike riders around as well. Even on the High Country tracks we drove it was remarkably clean.
Now with the place so spotless, hopefully it might make some feel guilty leaving rubbish around.

I live in hope,


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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 14:40

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 14:40
Rubbish dumping has been one of my gripes for years. It's not just the remote areas but down any major road within the metro area. What must international visitors think when the arrive in Perth and see all the crap on the road verges. Any body would think we're a 3rd world country.

Illegal dumping in the bush has been rife for years.Here is a link to our local tips fees and charges.
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 17:59

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 17:59
Red hills whilst quite a drive is very cheep compared to the transfer stations. Clearway in Bayswater is $35 for a car and $74 for a 6x4 trailer.
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Reply By: Muntoo - Monday, May 30, 2011 at 22:03

Monday, May 30, 2011 at 22:03
I watched today as a well known Broome shire councillor flicked her cigarette out the window.

I couldnt believe it.

Pathetic, and we have these people in charge of our livelihood.
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