East Coast a Campers nightmare at the moment!

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Parts of the East Coast are Miserable for holidayers at the moment,especially campers,....LOl. ,,Seems a regular thing over here on long weekends, Damn climate change, spoils it for eveyone,

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 13:26

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 13:26
Hey Axel,
I'll have to disagree that it is climate change mate.
A lot of the older generation believes this is what the weather was like when they were kids.
We can't have too good ALL the time LOL.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 16:32

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 16:32
Not quite, but getting there, I'm only in my forties, and the weather the last few years is not as hot or cold, or as wet as when I was a kid, but it is slowly getting there.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:36

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:36
Same here, mid 40's.
Remember as a kid growing up in Ballina, each year the cyclones, 2 or 3 of them would bring the best swell, as a surfie kid I was in heaven. We would even get to surf in the river, as far in as the Sailing Club near the swimming pool, even caught waves under the old Missingham bridge and up North creek.
Compared to recent years, yes it seems to of been wet.
For the Gtafton Area
June rainfall
wettest this month 29.6mm 2nd

total this month 41.9mm 7 day(s)

long-term average 63.2mm 7.8 day(s)

wettest on record 524.6mm 1967

driest on record 0.9mm 1968

From the wettest to the driest from one year to the next, Amazing.

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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:30

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:30
Growing up in Wagga I remember riding my pushbike to school in the middle of winter, riding through all the puddles. Only they were not puddles, they were sheets of ice. Not seen that for many a year.

When we use to go to the snow, only needed to go as far as Rules Point to find the snowfields. A bumper season now is if there is snow at the toll booths, further up the mountain.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:58

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:58
"Only they were not puddles, they were sheets of ice"
Funny stuff

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Reply By: Member - Joe T (NT) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 13:58

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 13:58
The politicians came up with this crapppppp of global warming just to squeeze more juice out of us

Here are the facts about climate.

Australia heatwave & storm deaths
Figures for heatwave & storm deaths in Australia

Heat wave Victoria 438 1939-01Dec 1938-Feb 1939
Heatwave killed 438 and sparked the Black Friday bushfires (see below).
Heat wave South-eastern Australia 437 18951895–1896
Widespread heatwave killed 437, including 47 in Bourke, New South Wales
Cyclone Bathurst Bay, Queensland 410 dead 1899-03 4 March 1899 Cyclone Mahina; estimated toll 410
Heat wave Southern states 246 dead 1907-12December 1907-January 1908
Heatwaves Australia-wide 147 dead 19201920–1921
Heatwaves Australia-wide 143+ dead 19111911–1912
Heatwave Southern states 130 dead 19261926–1927
Heatwave Australia-wide 122+ dead 19131913–1914
Heatwave Australia-wide 112 dead 19391939–1940
Heatwave Australia-wide 109 dead 19091909–1910
Heatwave Southern regions, Australia 105+ dead 19591959 One source puts death toll at 145
Heatwave Southern regions Australia 99 dead December 1972 to February 1973
Cyclone Northern Queensland 99 dead March 1934 Cyclone and 9.1 m storm surge
Cyclone Queensland coast, particularly Innisfail 77+ dead 10 March 1918
Cyclone and storm surge with death toll estimated between 77 and 100
Flood Clermont, Queensland 65 dead 27 December 1916
Cyclone Around Broome, Western Australia 50 dead 1908
Flood Melbourne suburbs and Southern Victoria 35 dead 29 November to 1 December 1934
Torrential rainfall of up to 350 mm. Yarra River becomes raging torrent. Extensive damage
with 35 dead, 250 injured, and 3,000 homeless
These are the biggest death tolls from natural disasters. Just goes to show that major
weather variances occurred since white man registered such figures.


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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 14:24

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 14:24
Those aren't fact Joe....they are statistics....and as the then PM of the UK said way back in 1935 or so.....there are lies, damn lies and statistics - after that come the considered scientific analysis that makes sense of all those stats and for what it is worth the bulk of the credible science around the world interperets the stats from around the world not just in one place over a given time.......Sure there are some scientists that don't agree but that's the nature of the beast. Just as there are still some folks that believe the Earth to be flat......this debate will go on for some time but frankly I prefer to err on the side of the credible science...not for my sake or the sake of my bank balance but for the future of my grandchildren and the planet.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin S (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 14:51

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 14:51
But Patrol22, when temperatures are collected from around the world aren't they just more statistics?
It is important to always maintain a sense of proportion

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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:11

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:11
They probably are statistical facts or factual statistics. LOL


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Follow Up By: dazren - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:22

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:22
Well !!! they are only '' statistics'' Does that mean they Did Not Happen ?????
You have been listening to Julia and her Goverment dependant Scientists ???
However if they are only statistics, and it never happened and all those people did not perish then i suppose we do not need to worry ???

Do agree with you in one area though !! if you listen to Julia, you do get Lies, More Lies, and Her Statistics speak for themselves,,
The only outcome i can see with this Carbon Monoxide Tax, is it will ruin the tiny bit of Industry we have left in this country, for absolutely No change to the envoiroment at all, Who do we think we are, we contribute very little pollution on a world wide scale, and if the big offenders are not doing it, because it will destroy their growing economies, So we sell them our coal so they can increase their pollution, if we don't sell the coal, well we don't have any substantial income for this country at all, Stop selling the coal, and wait for the resources boom to finish and then see what we have got left to finance this country. Bugger All !!
And if the WHOLE world did act on implementing All the changes, It would alter the world temprature by What, and When. ???? That is right niether the Pro Change scientists, nor the ' so called ' sceptic scientists can give an answer

I may be right, or i may be wrong, but you are in the same boat , I say bring on an Election, and give a goverment a Mandate to work with, so let us all vote on it let the people speak, then we can enjoy or suffer the outcome dazren
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:26

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:26
True Al.....but the point I was trying to make is that until the science is applied to the stats they are meaningless....and I for one done profess to have anywhere near the smarts that the various scientific groupings have collectively put to this particular area of study.

Never ceases to amaze me really how humankind is always happy and quite ready to accept the science that addresses the "me" dimension (ie fix "me" cancer, design "me" cheaper and stronger building materials, give "me" better pain relief, etc etc) but won't accept the extensive science that clearly shows that global warming is a reality. Perhaps the "me" analysis will really start to wind up when our pacific neighbours start to flood and go looking for somewhere just to the west of them to live, and those poor sods in low lying areas of Aus have to move to higher ground. I don't necessarily agree that a tax is the way to fix the problem....but given that we are driven by a market economy the dimension of "price" is sure to have and impact. But one thing I'm pretty confident of is that doing nothing is NOT and option.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:35

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:35
What can I say dazren....apart from say read my original post properly - and to understand that stats alone mean nothing - they have to be interpreted. I don't subscribe to the emotional political claptrap that you seem to espouse - but I do read extensively and on my personal reading the BULK of the CREDIBLE science certainly points to a global warming problem......something needs to be done and someone has to start somewhere to fix the problem....if that is Australia then I'm happy to contribute....oh..and I work both for a wage and after hours doing some private stuff, my kids all work - some with their own businesses. If I have to pay a little extra so be it.....so long as those less fortunate than me get some assistance with any additional costs I'm happy.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:39

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:39
...oh forgot to mention dazren...I am a fully fledged card carrying member of the Liberal Party of Australia and my politics generally lean towards the conservative viewpoint...but not on this issue.Malcolm Turnbull is not the only Liberal who accepts the science.
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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:47

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 15:47
Ah, yes sorry Pat, I was having a loan of you. And I see your point.

The community problem is that currently the expressions from the scientists is largely opinion. Until some poor nation disappears there is no dramatic fact to convince the population of a disaster.

I am convinced that our planet is fragile and we cannot continue to dump vast quantities of pollutants into our atmosphere and seas without paying the price. Or more likely for our children to pay the price.

The cost of playing a safe card is not all that expensive in the vast scheme of things, but if we continue as we are and discover that the scientists were right it will be too late and irreversible.


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Follow Up By: Member - Joe T (NT) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:55

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:55
For those of you that think that the politicians are right in making us pay more money to stop the sea level rising, please explain what made the sea level rise hundreds or thousands of years ago to a few metres higher the present level.

I know some people don’t believe it, see it for yourself

Just go to 200 km south of Broome turn right to go to the beach,1km inland from the high tide mark scoop the topsoil off and dig down you will find seashells are 3m deep.

Or go to Richmond West QLD find a rock and there is the proof
Or, on the ranges east of Prairie Qld see it for yourself

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Follow Up By: Gregh2 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:39

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:39
As a 66yo ex weather observer, I find there are 2 fundamental flaws in the whole climate change argument. Climate change will occur as it has each 40 million year cycle. Neither man nor church will change that. It is not man made; but rather an earthly cycle. The second flaw relates to the Govt argument. Their conclusions (premises) are based on modelling using data less than 200 years old projected into the future. It is still a model and in no way conclusive or even indicative of what may or may not happen in 30, 100 or 1,000 years.
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Follow Up By: Gnomey - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:55

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:55
G'day Folks
Normally I don't bother contributing to political exchanges but it seems that rising early and reading yet more consummate drivel on the subject of climate change have conspired to provoke me.

Deniers who spout meaningless factoids about how it was once hotter, drier, wetter, colder or whateverer back in 1847 or 1436 or whenever as though that addresses any of the theory or evidence about climate change and global warming are truly beginning to annoy me. Isolated factoids say nothing about trends and so fail utterly to address the basis of the climate change theory.

People who low with the herd about statistics and damn lies remind me of those who hitch the thumbs in the belt loops and declare they nothing about art but know what they like as though that makes them qualified to be art critics. It is one thing to be clueless and quite another to celebrate it as a public virtue.

Probably the most important use statistics have is as measures of trend and tendency. Climate change is about increasing frequency of extreme weather events driven by increasing mean annual temperatures (mean=average which is a measure of central tendency) ie. it's warmer on average than it used to be.

The right wing denial of climate change seems to have two tiers and three components. 1. It isn't happening. 2. Even if it is happening it's got nothing to do with humankind. 3. Therefore I can continue to live as selfishly as I want to and bugger everyone else.

And BTW I've never been a member of any political party, and never voted Liberal in my life and I'm with Patrol22, though after reading this he might not want me on his team.

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 16:45

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 16:45
Love it mark......the bloody politicisation of everything is what gripes me the most and it seems that every debate degenerates into some sort of political free for all without meaningful consideration of the underpinning science. Time for me to quit work, head bush and smell the wildflowers......while there are still plenty of them :-)

PS - so long as you aren't an All Black supporter you can be on my team any day :-)
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Reply By: lindsay - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:05

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:05
Read a book recently, where it was written where ,someone challenged an anthropologist as to why he had written something that he knew was incorrect. The anthropologsted said "look we are paid by the government to promote aboriginality, I don't care if it is wright or wrong but this is how our university is funded". There lies the problem! When the so called first australians walked here 40,000 years ago the area where Broome now is was 200 ks from the coast, the seas have been rising and falling for millions of years before we had fossil fuels to aid it. We have 2.44 people per sq km ,England has 236 people per sq km and a similar amount in Germany. When we contribute such a small amount of carbon dioxide what we do, or don't do won't make much difference. Did you know that the volcanic eruptions in Greenland last year put more carbon into the atmosphere than all of mankind in history.
Biggest scam that has ever occured but if you are on the pension (not a self funded retiree) or a householder you will get compensation. Stuff those that are in business. In New Zealand their carbon scheme costs dairy farmers about $30,000 each our scheme is estimated to cost an average cereal farmer $38,000 each. Rural and regional people who have to use the most energy for their living will pay the most.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:30

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:30
Not doubting anything else you've said their Lindsay except for one small point - Mt Pinatubo is the largest recorded volcanic eruption I believe....and the motor vehicles on the planet alone put more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in 10-12 hours each and every day than Pinatubo has since man has been recording this sort of stuff. I agree nature contributes but I also believe that the now 3-4 billion humans on the planet and all the stuff that we has to make a change to the composition of our atmospheric gases.....just what the longer term impact will be I don't know but I suspect that it won't all be beneficial. I don't think we need to be looking in the rear view mirror but into the crystal ball......and trying to make sense of the knowledge that we have and will gain into the future. Man is well capable of dealing with any problem that arises.......it is just that a lot of politics is going to inhibit a smooth progress. Always been that way and always will I guess - that what make us such a progressive and some might say weird lot :-)
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:34

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:34
...and I agree that those most affected should be in the front of the Q for any compensation on offer..and that includes our farmers. You are so right about the total amount that we in Aus put into the atmosphere relative to the higher population areas but on a per capita basis we are amongst the top 5 polluters. Over and out from me.....I've had my say and then some and probably need to get off the soapbox now.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:09

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:09
Was mentioned on the news tonight that pensioners would get up to $500.00 a year compensation.
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:59

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:59
Hello Axle
We moved from Sydney to the Coffs Harbour area in 1985 and it was a nightmare trying to build our house.
The weather we are experiencing now is a repeat of 1985 to 1989.
Mud everywhere and a sticky as it comes.
Living is a journey,it depends on where you go !
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Reply By: outsider - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:10

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:10
The ice caps had been melting on mars too (look it up)
Guess we did that burning our fossil fuels,

Or could it possibly be that the fluctuating heat of the SUN effects the climate ?

how come they don't call it global warming anymore ?
best to watch this bbc doco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXp1AXDzLGQ

I'm on the east coast and apart from a few showers the weather has been pretty good over the weekend.
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Follow Up By: outsider - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:23

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:23
anyone wondering about the QLD floods last summer probably aren't aware that the government acquired some very effective cloud seeding technology last year, is it just a coincidence ?

A 2010 article is still up on the Sydney morning herald website,
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00
They were also diverting water that would normally run down rivers through NSW to top up there dams & water there cotton crops, so when there was heavy rain they couldn't handle it.

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Reply By: OREJAP - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 00:39

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 00:39
The natural disasters!!! The damage bill for QLD is approximately 6 Billion dollars...so who fixes our damaged states....hmmm...maybe the federal Govt....now if they spend all that money putting Australia back where it was...I cannot see the budget being returned to surplus by 2012....the money has to come from somewhere.....The Govt cannot do an about face on their promise...so how does Wayne & Julia go about getting the Govt extra $$$$...introduce a new tax which if managed correctly & con the people that it is a tax to stop OUR global warming....then the majority will vote that in because we all care about what happens to our country....don't we? So WE pay the damage bill...with a little help from W & J.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:37

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:37

Its called "getting older". We cannot take the bad weather as well as we did when we were teenagers.

I recall surfing at Crowdy Head in 1967 and we had to submerse ourselves as much as possible to get our of the sleet. Thats right SLEET at Crowdy in July. And no wetsuits in those days. I wouldn't do it now. Too much for me at 60+.

Ya gettin old mate!!!!

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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:05

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:05
G/Day Phil,.....Your Right!...and cranky. don't forget that one!.

Dunno whether i will mention climate change again!


Cheers Axle
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:22

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:22
Me cranky? Only when I don't foget my pills mate. Or when the Eels lose.

Better of late though. Taking a different pill now. Thanks God. Even the young grand daughter said so.

Take care mate.

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 16:17

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 16:17
Who knows whether "global warming " or "climate change" is caused by man or just another fluctuation in our planet's natural rhythm.If you believe that we in Australia with some 22 million people are going to make a difference to the climate or that countries like the USA, China, Russia or any other developed or developing country are going to change their ways because we do, call me, first I have this lovely coat hanger shaped bridge that you can have for an absolute bargain price, secondly I will gladly cough up my share of the proposed carbon tax when the aforementioned countries show the way and then we can see if man can slow whatever we are supposed to be doing to the planet.
Sorry but at the moment all I can see this tax doing is contribute to the government's consolidated revenue.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 21:39

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 21:39
G/Day Pop,... You have the ability to make sense like no other, every time its hard to have a argument with your reply!

Cheers Axle,
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