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Hi To all I've just joined, I can't make up my mind if to buy 2 x 40 lit Engel's or 1 x 60 lit Engel, even if i wish to use them both as freezers, If I used 1 as longer term freezer , ( IE not used that often ) and used the other for day to day use, ( maybe freeze the odd fish ) would that use less power than if I buy a 1 x 60 litre , I am fully aware that a 60 uses 4.2 amp and a 40 uses 2.7 x 2 = 5.4 amp, at full wake, but as 1 would be not used too often, and the other 1 used more often which option would be best,!!! ?
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:34

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:34
Hi Paul, we have a 30 litre and a 40 litre and i like the flexibility of using one or both, and to be able to use one as a freezer when needed. One stays in the car when at home - great for shopping days, or to have cool drinks available when travelling. Depends on your usage patterns if lowering power use is critical to you.

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Reply By: Member - Ian W1 (QLD) - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:39

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:39
Hi Paul, I don't like all my eggs in the one basket...pun intended. 2 fridges gives you some flexibility as per MotherHen's post and it also gives you a backup if one fridge happens to fail for whatever reason.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:37

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:37
Agree 100%. The only reason to favor the 60 would be the cost saving of the initial purchase but otherwise having 2 units is a much safer option
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Reply By: Member - Ups and Downs - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:57

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 19:57
Another consideration is weight. Lifting a fully loaded 40 litre can be a struggle so would imagine a loaded 60 litre would require a lot of muscle.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:42

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:42
That's why they have baskets so you don't have to lift the things full.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:12

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:12
I have 2 x 40 litre Engels. I decided to go this way because the 60 litre with the freezer is only a freezer and the freezer cannot be used as a fridge, whereas with the 40 litre I can have both or either.

This was advice I was offered by the Engel rep at the 4WD show when I bought my second fridge.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:41

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 20:41
If cost is not an issue, 2 x 40 litre Engels is a flexible solution.

However, depending on what combinations you require, another cheaper option is one 40 litre Engel plus a twozone option.
The Twozone is an attachment for the Engel that provides a second "compartment" to use as a fridge. The Engel fridge operates as a freezer and the top section as a fridge.

Might be worth further thought although the additional height may be an issue.
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Reply By: Simon C - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:15

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:15
I purchased a 60 litre engle around 4 years ago. Thought bigger was better. However, I found the 60 litre to big for over 70% of my use and travels. I have recently purchased an additional 45 litre unit, and I whish I had purchased 2 smaller units rather than the 60 litre unit. The flexibilty is that you can use one as a freezer, and and 1 as a fridge. Weight is a pain for me.....try and lift, or move a fully loaded 60 litre engle.......mate it is heavy. Also I see no comments on this one but the 60 litre unit will not allow a wine or chamapnge bottle to be stood up right. A small issue for some/most, but I find it a real pain in the arse. Also the 60 litre is low in height, but wide and long. Takes up a heap of room.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:53

Monday, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:53
"I am fully aware that a 60 uses 4.2 amp and a 40 uses 2.7 x 2 = 5.4 amp,"
Paul it's not just a matter of adding the amps together that the compressor runs at. As an example my Autofridge runs at around 4 amps but uses less overall power than an Engel at 2.7 simply because it runs for less time. It's the total Amp Hours that matter.
Possibly one of the Aussie fridge/freezer combo's would be a better opton for your needs?
Cheers Craig..............
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Reply By: Member - Corrugate75 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 07:08

Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 07:08
G'day Paul,
I own two Evakool 47L and we use one as a freezer, one as a fridge. If we ignore the brand choice (seems you're set on Engel) we went to two smaller ones after speaking to a mate who has an 80L Waeco. It is a nice fridge but too big, takes up all the room in his Prado. Two smaller ones gives you versatility for those days when you're not on holidays, and you just want a fridge in the car to grab a few groceries etc. Also think about the height - you'll want to be able to stand up a full bottle of wine/soft drink at some point.
Happy searching!
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Reply By: sweetwill - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:33

Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:33
hello paulj4.
my first engle was an 80lt like most blokes "bigger is better"well it isn't the 80lt took up to much space so i sold it and got a 29 lt can use it as a fridge or freezer as i travel most days without stopping in one place for to long it is ideal for me cheers bill.
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Reply By: paul j4 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:41

Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:41
Thank you to all the responses, Firstly, as some body pointed out they have baskets, so to move a fully laden fridge, I can take them out.
plus I can use a drop down slider for either.
2 x 40 =320 sq cmts v 1 x 60 =308 sq cmts , Less area for a 60 not more.
I have used other brands, my last was a eva kool 55 the yellow one, I should never have bought it, it did not work as well as i thought it would, plus a few other issues, I still have a cole kool 50 lire, a very good machine still works well for being 20 years old.
But though I would up grade to a more modern system.
I know I can use one as a fridge and one as freezer. But my question was 2x40 v 1 x 60 with 1 x 40 used often as a day to freezer, with the other one used a lot less often as a freezer, ( both as freezers ) v 1 x 60 being used for both as often as the first 1 x 40, which way would draw less currant. ? ----pj
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve R (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:57

Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:57
Paul have you considered buying the 60 litre Engel Combo. This contains a separate fride and freezer section. Not sure of the sizes but you can easily find this out. I purchased mine about 7 years ago and have never looked back suits us.
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Follow Up By: paul j4 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:04

Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:04
The combo has the same set up as as the evakool, it has a divider with only the cooling element going half way, that makes it a fridge freezer, not a freezer / freezer.
My only Q is, the what would the overall power consumption of 1x 60L used on a day to day basis ( IE: Regular ) as a freezer, v 2 x 40 L used as freezers, one used on a day today basis regular, ( IE: putting the odd fresh caught fish in for example ) and the other not used alot, but kept full with frozen food.
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Reply By: pj44 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 19:49

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 19:49
Just did a check on my son in laws 40 L, on fridge mode it was drawing 1.4 to 1.6 amp after he had had it running in his car all day, it was down to 3.5 deg, so I would assume that another 40 litre, on freeze at - 3.5 deg would be drawing about the same.
Now I just need to know what a 1x 60 on freeze, is drawing on cycling.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 20:09

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 20:09
Take a look at National Luna. 74L which is 40L + 34L in two totally seperate compartments and seperate doors. Either compartment can be a fridge or freezer or off. MUCH better insulation and lower consumptiuon than an Engel. Just like two fridges in one with one compressor and less space as 2 fridges.

It is built for transporting blood for the Red cross in Africa and tough as nails.

I usually use it as one fridge at 2 degrees for the good sutff, and the other at 8 degrees for veges, cheese, etc etc. Sometimes I use one as a freezer.

I love mine.
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Reply By: pj44 - Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:49

Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:49
I have done some actual first hand testing and have found that.
1x 40 L Engel was using 1.4 amp to 1.6 when down to temp.
A 1 x 60 L cole- kool was 3.3 amp ditto.
The new ARB 35 was 3.3 amp ditto.
and the new 90 litre national luna with twin controls was pulling 2.7 when getting down to temps in both sections then cycled at 1.7 ish.
It is a bit dearer than going the 2 x 40 engel way , I was so impressed that I now have put in an order for a 90 L national luna with a drop down slider.
I was very impressed with the luna , even when we turned the luna off and opened the lid to warm it up to bring the temp up, it still was cooling down 2 deg's.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 21:42

Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 21:42
PJ as I noted above the amperage you are measuring is almost pointless unless you time how long each of the fridges actually run for. Hyperthetically if the Luna fridge pulling 2.7 amps ran for twice as long as the Engel using 3.3 it doesn't take a rocket scientist to workout which is using the most power. Any power consumption comparison must be measured in Amphours.
Cheers Craig.. ... . .
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Follow Up By: pj44 - Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:53

Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:53
crackles, I know what your saying ( time how long each of the fridges actually run for. ) it would be a bit hard to get a store keeper to let you run a test on there product in the shop over a lengthy period, but having had various camping freezer set ups and compared friends set ups over the last 30 odd years, I have found that as a general rule of thumb over a 24 hr period the 50 percent on / off rule to work fairly well for me, when I pick the luna up I will be connecting it up to my vans solar power system ,where I can check how much power it actually does use over any given day, will keep you informed.
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Follow Up By: pj44 - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:50

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:50
I set the national luna 90 litre, on 240v to bring the temps down -13 in the freezer section and -5 in the fridge/freezer section, it pulled down to those temps in less than an hour, switched it to 12 v, then put I filled two x 2 litre ice cream containers with water and put 1 in each section, left it for the day to freeze the water, next day after 24 hours it had used 29 A/H, granted the weather is not hot at the moment , but still happy with the results.
thanks for every body's input. ---pj
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 07:58

Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 07:58
Ahh Crackles, if you were measuring Amphours, you would be measuring Charge use and by implication given fixed 12v, Energy use. Where E =V x I x t

Power is instantaneous work effort. The Power use would be by the Amps ( again by implication given fixed 12V). Where P= V x I

This amp verses Amp hour thing really has people confused. It is a basic and simple concept though.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 19:20

Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 19:20
You are right with one thing Boo & that is you are unnecessarily confusing people with irrelevant formula's :-)) This link may simplify things a bit more. Amp Hours explained
Cheers Craig..............
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