ICOM IC400pro or IC440

Trying to decide between these two radios. The intent is to din mount it in the console. Can anyone give me the pros and cons for each.

thanks.

Pete
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Reply By: garrycol - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 17:47

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 17:47
Well for starters the 440 does not DIN mount - just a box (no controls on it) under the dash or under the seat and the microphone mount on the dash - the microhone is a speaker phone and has all the redio controls on it.

I believe you can get the IC 400 in 80 channel versions (or is upgradable) but the 440 is only 40 channel and is not upgradable - at this stage Icom is not intending to release an 80 channel version.

Garry
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Reply By: olcoolone - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 19:46

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 19:46
As said above plus the 400 is based on a commercial chassis and the 440 on a consumer chassis.

A commercial chassis is stronger, has better components and reliability.

The 400 would be my choice.

In radio's there are 4 chassis's.... commercial, amateur, consumer and TOY.
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 20:19

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 20:19
400 Pro is my choice as well.

Have an 80 Ch version DIN mounted in my Ranger.

Good bit of commercial quality gear.
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Follow Up By: Peter E2 - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 20:45

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 20:45
Thanks all for the help

Pete
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 22:35

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 22:35
The 440 is also commercial quality.
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:09

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:09
Sorry garrycol, but I beg to differ. I agree the 440 is an excelent radio - but it isn't commercial quality , and Icom also make no claim as to it being suitable for commercial operation.

For a start the 440 is only 1W or 5W and there is no provision to be able to transmit on private commercial frequencies. It can be programmed with up to 80 receive only frequencies in the 450 - 520 MHz range.

The 400Pro however can be programmed to transmit on the Australian commercial UHF band at the Australian legal max of 25W. The 400Pro is compatable and fully approved for use on Licenced Land Mobile Services at 25W within the 450 - 500 MHz band at 12.5 (narrow) or 25 KHz (wide) bandwidth.

The Icom literature quotes this on the 400Pro brochure HERE where it is also shown as being "Commercial Specification".

... on the other hand the 440 literature makes no such claim.

440 brochure

We have five 400Pro radios - all now with the new 80 channel bandplan PLUS two private commercial frequencies in the 468 MHz band - one channel is via a shared repeater with CTCSS.
Can't do that with 440 radios.
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Follow Up By: RedCherokee - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:11

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:11
I find the 440 works well for my needs.

I specifically wanted one with the controls on the handset so the unit could be mounted under the seat. If you have a suitable mounting space for a 400, it does read as the better unit.
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:34

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:34
RedCherokee - agree the 440 is a great radio.

BUT the original poster said "The intent is to din mount it in the console." - and the 440 is not DIN mountable.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:26

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:26
Polaris - if that is your view that is fine but it is not supported by the documentation I have,

The 440 is a firmware-modified Japanese 10 watt commercial radio (IC-UM2005CTM), There is room for 128 channels in the memory, so with the 40 simplex channels, and 8 duplex channels, that leaves 80 RX-only channels for user programming. However Icom have decided not to upgrade the 440 to 80 channel Tx/Rx - maybe they are developing a new model.

As you indicated the 400 really a commercial radio (IC-F210) disguised as a CB but so is the 440 - albiet based on a different commercial radio.

Garry
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:42

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:42
In the land of the rising sun the IC-UM2005CTM is still only 5 watts , it is not a commercial radio, I would say Icom Japan produced this radio for a special application unlike the 400 that is based on a world wide commercial radio platform.
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