The Many Faces of Big Red

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Hi All and to all the lucky buggers in Birdsville

This year there will be many visitors heading out to Big Red while in Birdsville and for many people this will be their first taste of the monster dune.

Over the years this one Simpson Desert dune has changed its face many times for me and it is not until you sit down and compare images that the stark changes are remarkable to have witnessed.

What have you seen over the years.


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Stephen

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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 06:40

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 06:40
Great photos once again Stephen L. Just incredible how rain changes the scenery so drastically. Someone put a bit of video up recently of their climb over it and I thought, "that could not be the desert". Your photos prove it was. Thanks for sharing again. Cheers,Bob.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:21

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:21
Hi Bob

It is amazing to see the changes over the years and shows how rain can transform the landscape. The thing that I find incredible is how all the seeds survive for years in times of no rain, high winds and very high summer temperatures and then in front of your eyes, a green oasis.


Thanks for your reply.



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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:39

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:39
That video would have been mine.
I've seen that dune twice and on both occassions it has been surrounded by water and lush vegetation.
Now I want to see it after a few dry years.

Stephen, thanks for the photo timeline. My favourite topic at the moment.

Love your work!!!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:05

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:05
Hi Fab

Thanks for that. As for the Simpson, it sounds like you have been bitten with the bug and will want to keep going back, and back......

Well before I started posting blogs here on the forum and the Caravan Park had Ian and Ruth (Who were the BEST), my dad was impressed with my stories and photos that he drove the Birdsville Track with my mum to see it first hand himself. Some sill way what is the big deal about that. Dad was 76 then and mum is blind.

They had a ball and still talk about today.

It is one place that when we get back to, it seems like home.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:57

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:57
Lovely photos there Stephen , and to think it was only 2008 when we crossed lEyre creek and it was bone dry with dust everywhere.

I have noticed that the top of Big Red changes a bit to.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:15

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:15
Hi Robin

Thanks for that and yes things do change on top of Big Red, that is for sure. One question that I have never asked and who and why did someone dump lots of gibbers on top between 2005 and 2006.

For about 8 years in a row - must be crazy, be did many crossing and then in early May 2006 there were all the gibbers when along side of my Pajero.

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Someone may be able to "Please Explain"


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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:14

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:14
I'll ask around - do know that as part of the launch of new Porsche 4wd , the advertizing film crew tried to jump one over the top , they couldn't do it until my brother in law disconnected the traction control , thought that was 2004 , don't think they would have made a hard surface ramp, although they were getting desperate for pictures , the sequence shots that were across hotel wall
were taken almost on dusk.
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Reply By: Doomadgee Roadhouse - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:09

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:09
is it fine sand or course, might see if the kids can slide down on boogie boards ????

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:21

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:21
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In a dry year you would have no problems but this year there is lots of vegetation which could slow you down. If you found a bare patch, you could have hours of fun, thats for sure.

A small section where there is still no vegetation and steeper is when you get to the top, on your right hand side looking towards Birdsville, then would have a ball.


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Reply By: S.A. Blaze - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 13:19

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 13:19
Nice work Stephen, I will take copies of these with me, and get some from the same spots, around October 8th.

Will be interesting to see what the water has done by then?

I am guessing we will still have to do the loop around Eyre Creek ?

Hoping to camp on top of Big Red the night we are there, I want some sunset and sunrise shots from the top.

Keep up with the good posts
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:19

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:19
Hi Glen

As for the Eyre Creek detour, there was still a very lot of water there and it will be running for a long time to come. We did the southern detour last year when the water levels were lower, but the northern detour is rocky and you will not get bogged.

There was some talk, and that is all it may be, but someone was telling us that they think the southern detour will not be used and only the northern one, but like I said it could all be talk.

We were hoping to also camp there, but not on top. We picked out a great little spot last year on the eastern side, but it was well and truly under water this year. There was the remain of a camp fire on top of Big Red, so that will been on our next to do list when back up there again. Like I mentioned in my 2 latest blogs, the desert dunes are back to normal, nice and soft and low tyre pressures are the order of the day. The dunes are very cut up on the new wet weather detour out to Big Red that follows the Border fence for a few kilometres. I will send you a plot file so you can see where it takes you.

I should have another photo blog up by the weekend on the Birdsville Track, showing just what there is for travellers to see along the way.


Have a great trip.


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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 15:40

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 15:40
Hi Stephen

I am back in the Simpson on 21st Sept with another tag a long group.

This will be crossing number 15 for us but am interested to know where the track along the border enters the desert.

After seeing the position of the detour sign compared to last year and with my customers all wanting to do big red , as you do , any heads up would be appreciated.



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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:33

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:33
Hi Teza

I'll have to start charging......LOL

You should have received my email with the Trek file for the new detour. Like I said, the worst part is going out to Big Red with the track very cut up from tyre pressures that are far too high.

Enjoy all that water and have a great time.



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Follow Up By: S.A. Blaze - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 02:06

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 02:06
Stephen,

Thanks for the file. Should be a great help, but I'm guessing its a pretty well warn track or it will be by the time I get there.

I know there is no way of policing it but wouldnt it be great if all these Asphalt Cowboys that run high pressures had to pay double for a desert pass or even pay normal price just to drive out to Big Red if they leave their tyres up.

Heard one guy the other day, bragging that he did all of the Simpson a couple of years ago in 2 wheel drive. (My Question) WHY. What did it prove? I have seen the desert where I could have done it also in 2wd but I purchased a 4WD and it is so much kinder to the tracks to use it and lower tyre pressures. Lets stop trying to show we have tough rigs and drive it how it should be driven.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 08:25

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 08:25
Hi Glenn

The track out there is a very good apart from where you have to cross the sand dunes, along the section of track that runs along the border fence. The dunes were very cut up from one thing only and that was people running far too high tyre pressures and not knowing how to drive in soft sand. Once you leave Big Red the dunes are no where as cut up and like a normal soft sand crossing that you can expect through the Simpson.

I know to 2 vehicles that left the caravan park to drive out and see Big Red and returned in less than 45 minutes, and both said that they could not get over the dunes. I mentioned about low tyre pressures and they both stated that they did not want to roll the tyres off of their rims and they never had pumps to re inflate their tyre. It is people like this that cut the track up and make it bad for everyone else that heads out into the desert.



Have a great time.


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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:19

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:19
Gday Stephen,
Like you I've found some Big Red photos from the past and also looking from the east:
1988:

2004:

and 2006:


Hasn't really changed much despite all the vehicles that cross it.
My favourite is the 1988 photo - the FJ55 with the family in it adds a bit of character!

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:25

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 14:25
Hi Phil

Thanks for the reply and great photos. Like you said, for the tens of thousands of vehicles that would have crossed the desert, it has not changed a great deal.

Thanks for you help for our last visit, as like I told you we would never have found that place.



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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:55

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:55
I was very happy that you found the Pages Grave despite the overgrowth!! Setting out on foot was a good move!

The interesting photo is the 2006 one - shows you how much a couple of dry years changes the place (2004 was fairly wet and full of flowers from memory!). Were your first couple of photos from a similar time? My 1988 photo looks very similar to other photos that follow a wet spell.

There's word now that campfires will be banned from Witjira National Park - too many people using too little wood and there is a fear that people carrying wood in will also carry in weeds and pests. Pity but I guess its necessary.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:18

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:18
Hi Phil

Yes the first couple were in 2006, while the others were in 2010 and 2011.

This is my personal view, but the best wildflower display from one side of the desert, right through to the other and wall to wall were in 2003 from early opening rains in the desert and then fine for the rest of the season.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 20:40

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 20:40
Hi Stephen,
Been digging through the photo library - 2002 wasn't bad either:
Here's a photo from Big Red 2002:
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I'm a bit biased, but best desert wildflowers I've seen have been in the GVD!
Oct 2004 was great and having been there twice this year, the flowering eucalypts, grevilleas, hakeas, sturts pea and daisies take a lot of beating. It really has been a good couple of years!

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 21:06

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 21:06
Hi Phil

Another great image, thanks.

We need to ask what happened between 2005 and to 2006 for the large swale to become so barren and almost completely devoid of all vegetation. I know when we went through then that there was still a lot of water out there in 2005. I should have included these for 2005:

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Reply By: rumpig - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:44

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:44
a pic from last year at the end of our desert crossing....

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:51

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 18:51
Hi Rumpig

Thanks for that and those reflections of the dunes in the water look great.



Thanks for taking the time to reply.




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Follow Up By: rumpig - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 23:39

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 23:39
no worries Stephen,
i walked that water to see how deep it was, in some sections it was knee deep in old wheel ruts. the water was also like ice, my feet were numb after only walking about 5 metres...lol
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:35

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:35
Hi Stephen,
Here's one more form October 2004 heading East

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:39

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Don't know why that didn't work.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 20:10

Thursday, Sep 01, 2011 at 20:10
Hi Dave

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Perhaps try again and see how you go.



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Reply By: Kris and Kev - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 08:34

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 08:34
Our Big Red 11 Sept 2009... (We would have loved to see it with the water!!)




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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 09:06

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 09:06
Hi Kevin

They are fantastic and thanks for sharing. To think that in your first image we kayaked across there and it was well over 3 metres deep.


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