setting up my cruiser from standard

I'm setting up my landcruiser 100 series basically from standard , it;s to travel around Oz starting in November, phew hard work not really knowing what i'm doing i've put the bullbar , the roof rack , the electric brake controller for the caravan , the c b radio , the battery charger unit for the caravan battery , i am a bit limited for money so have to be careful from here on any suggestions on my next purchases , i haven't got a winch as yet , the price scares me a bit .
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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:12

Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:12
Diesel or Petrol??
If diesel consider a 3" exhaust system and a chip. Something like a DP chip.
Extra performance will assist with all extra weight your putting onto /packing into vehicle.
Good Luck.
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Follow Up By: ombo99 - Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:26

Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:26
Thanks yeah it's a turbo deisel , i've heard about the D p chips
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Reply By: vk1dx - Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:44

Friday, Oct 21, 2011 at 23:44
What do you want to do with the car? Off road, pulling a van, just on the tar etc etc???

We haven't done the chip nor the exhaust and the car has plenty of power.

I didn't see you mention a pump nor a first aid kit. I you are going anywhere really off the beaten track put BOTH in it. Also some emergency comms. The CB only gets you about 15Kms. Mate there are heaps more things for off road that haven't been mentioned. How many spares do you have? What about a puncture repair kit? What recovery gear such as snatch straps etc.

Firstly tell us what type of 4WD trips are you planning?

Phil
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Follow Up By: ombo99 - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 00:14

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 00:14
Thanks Phil I don't see myself doing too much serious 4wd action , i'm towing a conventional jayco swan camper so i will be touring but looking for free camps so obviously going on dirt . I'll probably do day or weekend trips out bush a bit without the pop up . I've got a tinny on the boat racks on the caravan . Yeah i have to get a pump and a recovery kit , first aid kits there , yeah so basically i'm stuck a little bit on the road or not far off it because of the caravan but won't have it on all the time , Thanks then Dave
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:21

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:21
That makes it easier.

At this late stage I wouldn't worry about the chip and exhaust. The 100 TD is a very good car. We are almost at GVM but we are fully self contained and thus carry it all. Including a long range tank with extra water in it as well. You won't need that range either.

Don't worry about a winch. I doubt that you will go anywhere that is so isolated that someone won't come along and help. But get a set of maxitracks (spelling?) and a snatch strap. Bung a long handled shovel and either/both an axe and/or a bushman saw in the car. Also get a puncture repair kit as well. I don't think you need more than the CB and mobile phone (I hope its 3/4) for comms as well. If all your water is in the Jayco throw in a water container for the "short" drives. Those things should cover you for most of your "off road" drives.

For maps I would grab a paper set of the Hema wire bound maps. Starting with the one that covers all Australia. I suggest the wire bound ones because they sit nicely in the driver and passenger door pockets. Don't go spending heaps of money on a GPS. You won't need anything more than a cheapie and the paper maps. If you want to go one more stage for navigation and have an ipad or laptop get Oziexplorer and as many maps as you can. But it takes time to set up and learn how to drive Oziexplorer. Also Ozi is really not a "turn left in 400 meters" spoken type of GPS. It basically displays a paper map and shows you where you are on it. And it can do more but that's another story.

I could go on. We have been working ours up for years and still find little things to do.

I hope I am not telling you to suck eggs.

Don't forget a good camera with video capability and heaps of storage. A recorder for a spoken log can also be handy for the blog and the grandkids to hear what the bush really sounds like at night.

I bet that you wont do this. We leave the mobile phone at home. We carry a sat phone for emergency and leave it turned off except for timed scheds and an emergency (none so far). "Ain't silence great!!!"

Enjoy

Phil

Gee: That was a rant.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:18

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:18
Ombo,

Forget the winch. You won't need it anywhere the van can go near. We do some pretty difficult travel and have used ours once in 20 years, and then it was to help someone else.

If you do get stuck not too far off a track you can expect help from a passerby, but best to carry your own snatch strap. Much cheaper than a winch!

Something that might be worth spending money on is joining a 4WD club that offers good training. You'll learn a lot about your vehicle (and your self) and what they can do. You'll also meet people with the same interests. If you do decide to travel in the more difficult areas it's good to have the company of another vehicle too - you'll meet good companion people and vehicles in a club.

Cheers

John
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:24

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 07:24
Good one John.

Missed that one - training.

But I think he has left training a bit late.

We have used our winch both to pull others out and also get ourselves out. You two have been lucky mate.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:15

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:15
Luck Phil??? Staying out of trouble isn't luck!! Though you must be careful of Murphy's Law!!

Cheers

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Follow Up By: rumpig - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:52

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:52
it's not to late for them to do a 4wd course with a private training company IMHO. if they have limited knowledge of 4wding, then they will be amazed at how much they'll will learn, and the extra confidence and knowledge they will get from doing such a course will be invaluable and can only inhance the trip away i believe.
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Follow Up By: ombo99 - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:49

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:49
Thanks very much guys , i've just booked a course with ' follow me 4wd courses ' $ 150 a day , one for basic 4wdind and one for bush mechanics . Cheers and thanks for your time
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:05

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:05
I would stop with what you have and start doing some travelling. When you find you 'need' something then you can buy it. It is very easy to end up carting a lot of stuff around that you never use which puts extra stress on the vehicle and increases the fuel consumption.

As said above a quality first aid kit and consider doing a first aid course through St John's Ambulance. If you don't have a lot of experience towing a van then a course for that would be a good investment.

Make sure you have a couple of comfortable chairs so at the end of the day you can sit outside and watch the birds & animals and the sunset. That is what it is about not the stuff in the van and vehicle.

cheers


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Follow Up By: ombo99 - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:36

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:36
thanks Alastair d , it's very helpful to hear some good advice from people who have been doing this longer than me . cheers dave
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Reply By: Member - Graham Watson (SA) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:40

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:40
Get a cargo barrier. It will allow you to maximise the use of your storage space and in an accident stop any gear packed in the back becomong a missile Hazard. And if the worst should happen and you roll the vehicle it will act as a roll cage.
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:40

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:40
Dave

Sounds like you won't be going anywhere near places which will require any modifications to handle terrian the LC100 isn't already more than capable of.

I tow a heavy Camper Trailer with a Pajero normally fully (over?) loaded with the family. If I was going to do any long term towing I would seriously consider improved springs/ air bags etc for the rear of your vehicle. I don't know how your vehicle handles when loaded up with the van and all your gear, it may be fine though.

I won't repeat any of the good advice written above.
The electric brake controller is your best safety investment so far, if you stay on tracks and don't go anyhwere silly, you won't need much else than a tyre repair kit, snatrch strap, first aid kit and common sense.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:15

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:15
Mark

You reminded me of something when you mentioned the suspension. I would suggest an upgrade to the shocks on at least the car. Don't worry about any other suspension mods. If you break a shock, you can still drive but a lot slower so its not a killer. We did 150Kms on the Starkie Track with the front riight totally broken apart. Or shove at least one spare shock absorber in the spares bin.

Phil
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:45

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:45
Now thats what I like about this EO..sound advice given freely. I cant add much to
the wisdom expressed.. I would forget the winch, exhaust & chips..While fine for
their purposes, they are not must have imho. Keep weight down..especially on
the roof & pay attention to van wheel bearings..the major cause of outback angst.
Pack your sense of humour..travel slowly & enjoy.......oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:00

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:00
i will add here, van wheel bearings aren't the only ones to watch out for. in the last 2 years we have done 2 major trips away (Simpson Desert and up through The Gulf) in a group of friends for our holidays, wheel bearings were an issue on atleast one vehicle on each of those trips away. speak to any outback mechanic and they will say wheel bearings are the most neglected item they seee when vehicles come in, so make sure your tow vehicle has had them serviced before you go IMHO.
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Follow Up By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:56

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:56
I have always repacked my wheel bearings every 5000 kms,and check the temperature of the hubs each time I stop.
If they are too hot to touch, there is a problem.
I have a prepacked set of bearings vacuum sealed and a seal and split pin in the spares box all the time, just n case.

cheers

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Reply By: Fatso - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:20

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 09:20
TINT THE WINDOWS & GO.
That's all you need to do.

Stop reading 4x4 magazines & save yourself a heap of money that can be put to better uses, like extending your holiday by a couple of months.

You will be predominately travelling the same roads as Hyundai Getz's, Toyota Prius's & even those stupid looking Smart cars.
Your stock standard LC will take you just about anywhere without trouble.
A Jayco Swan is a pretty light weight van & will probably even be under 750 kg if you pack cautiously. I towed mine home from Brisbane with the electric brakes disconnected behind our Patrol wagon & it felt virtually no different
Do you honestly think you need to upgrade your vehicle.
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 18:42

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 18:42
Hi Fatso i take it you have never put a suspension upgrade on a vehicle. The difference is outstanding .

When loaded the handling and ride is far superior and safer.

The original suspension does the job to a point.

For a trip around oz towing, a full suspension upgrade is essential. ( saftety )

I speak from experiance.

Also allows you to travel of road in rough coditions to see more.

Col
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 19:50

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 19:50
Fatso, I don't know how heavy a Jayco Swan is, and on bitumen even loaded up, at 750kg you may be fine without electric trailer brakes.

But put yourself on a dirt road, loaded vehicle and a towing something > 500kg and see how you go when you plant your foot hard. A heart in mouth moment made me reassess the need for brakes with my previous sub 750kg CT.

Mark
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 22:46

Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 22:46
I don't want to start one of those "my thingo is better than yours" debates that get going on here, but most of the stuff blokes macho up with & put on their cars is a waste of money.

How do you blokes think Australians survived in this country for the 200 years prior to this BLEEP being available to the common man within the last 20 years.
Think back if you can to your younger days & how you did it. That's if you did & if you didn't, ask someone who did. While your at it, if your asking someone who did it, ask them if they enjoyed it.

Tell you what to do if you think you are too weak to handle life without all the accessories fellas. Take a spoon full of concrete & mix it in your hot coco before you go to bed every night. You gotta toughen up if your gonna go outside.
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Monday, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:13

Monday, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:13
So Fatso how come your not still using the horse and cart, if that's your argument.

For safety reasons an up grade is essential, and if you think you can load a van and keep it under 750kgs that concrete cocoa is working well.

And most travellers on the road dont take chances with our equipment or lives by disconnecting brakes. They may tow ok, but put it into a severe braking situation, fools like that we dont need on the road.

Col.
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Reply By: snoopyone - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:24

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:24
The cheapest and best upgrade for suspension is a set of Progressive rear springs.

Far better than airbags and you never have to worry about them We put air bags first then the springs and the airbags were a waste of money.

Unless you absolutely need it a roofrack is just extra weight.

I bought one and at 41kg and already overweight I left it at home Never missed it.

A cargo barrier is essential as is a UHF.

A winch is heavy and expensive and unless you are going remote there wiill almost always be someone around.

We took an extra spare wheel and two tubes each for the car and the van.

Never even got a puncture in the car and ruined two tyres in the van so had to buy new ones.
Take some belts and radiator hoses and keep 20litres of water in the car ALWAYS.
A reasonable tool kit some wire of various sizes and fuses.
We did the chip and exhaust for $2,000 but were towing nearly 3000kg You wont need to do it. A set of AT tyres would be good but saw lots still on the Grandtreks and doing OK
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:16

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:16
I have had a different experience. On my previous 80 series, I went thru 3 lots of springs and couldn't get a setup that could accomodate an unloaded ride (minimal weight in cargo area) and my camping setup with van (heaps of cargo plus van weight). In the end the best setup was a set of medium duty springs and a set of airbags.

Around town with no load, only ~5psi in the airbags and was a good complaint ride. Still had good wheel articulation for 4WDing as the springs wern't overly hard. But when camping with the lot, the airbags went to 35psi and were perfect for a level vehicle and still complaint without being harsh or bouncy.

In my GU patrol, I only went the airbags as the suspension was fine for what i wanted around town. The airbags were then ideal when towing and loaded.

In my current 200, I replaced the springs as they were too soft/low for my liking. Have also added the airbags for when towing and am very happy with my setup for my purposes.

To my way of thinking, a single set of springs cannot do 2 significantly different loads, even when they are progressive (they compress to obtain the higher load rating, hence the vehicle cannot be at the same level loaded vs unloaded). The airbags are adjustable and can compensate for the differeing loads.

Anyway, I am very happy with what I have and find it great for my purposes.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 18:17

Saturday, Oct 22, 2011 at 18:17
Lots of good advice given in the above posts.
If you can, see if you can do a couple of weekend trips before you go. Your vehicle sounds like it is pretty much up to the challenge as it is, I would be more conscious of taking too much stuff that you will not need so a couple of test runs would be handy to establish what is important and what to leave behind.
Excess weight is your enemy, it can cause suspension component failures plus use excessive amounts of fuel which is $$$ I am sure you could use elsewhere.

Enjoy your trip
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Reply By: Kimba10 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 08:31

Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 08:31
Personally I would add a dual battery system to the 100 series, you can then either run the van lights, fridge (if you have one) etc of it, or if you have other power means (i see you mention charger ??) the second battery could always get you out of trouble for starting. I'm presuming when you say turbo its factory turbo ?? As these already have duel batts I would get them separated so as you can use independently of each other..............
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Follow Up By: ombo99 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 09:39

Sunday, Oct 23, 2011 at 09:39
Thanks kimba 10 , yep it's factory turbo and does have twin batteries , i've also got 1 in the caravan and i got a redarc 40 amp charger that goes under bonnet ..
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:52

Monday, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:52
Note that TWIN batteries are different to DUAL batteries, well the way this post means. The standard TWIN batteries in a 100 series are simply two batteries join together to make one large battery. DUAL batteries implies they have been split with generally one battery for starting the vehicle and one for the auxillaries like fridge, lights etc when stopped.

When the batteries are isoplated from each other, the starting battery will still be available to start the vehicle in the morning, even if the aux has gone flat overnight from fridge etc...

My 200 series has the same original battery setup as the 100 with twin batteries. I have split mine with a Redarc isolator and now have one starter and one aux battery, works very well.

Cheers

Captain
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