Trailer plug wiring mystery - 12v going the wrong way!
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 18:43
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blueteddy
Hi All,
Here's a fun one for you!
Yes that's the reversing wire on our 7-pin trailer plug, looks like it's connected directly to our battery bank in the trailer (yes the reversing lights do not work haha).
I noticed this after blowing two fuses in the battery bank when unplugging the trailer plug and the trailer pins earthed against the trailer chain.
Anyone seen something like this before?? haha
I'm just about to crawl under the trailer and (try to) follow this wire to see where it is connected, or if it's a weird short circuit between two wires somewhere along the line.
See ya!
Dave & Hayley
Reply By: kev.h - Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:00
Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:00
My guess is they used the back up light wire as the feed to charge the battery on the trailer and have never connected the back up lights.
Only problem is the plug on the car end has to be wired the same way active from the battery to that pin (so when you tow another trailer the backup lights will be on all the time )
Have seen similar before saves having an anderson plug for charging but usually does not work all that
well because of the wire size
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: blueteddy - Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:15
Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:15
Hi Kev,
Thanks for the reply. I've just tested that pin on the vehicle plug, it's giving out 12v even while the car is off. So it looks like every time the vehicle is plugged into the trailer it is connected in some way to the battery bank in the van. Interesting! I thought this was a bad thing to do without a battery management system (draining batteries, spikes, etc..)
A little confused - but I guess if it works then we'll leave it as is and do without reversing lights.
Thanks!
Dave
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Follow Up By: blueteddy - Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:32
Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 19:32
Bought the van and the car separate - haha. chances of them been wired the same?
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 21:17
Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 21:17
I agree it is most likely a direct power supply to trailer either for lighting or charging a battery in the trailer. Common with dual batteries fitted to tow vehicle. Not a great idea if only one battery in the tow vehicle for obvious reasons.
Cheers
Wayne B
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 22:10
Thursday, Oct 27, 2011 at 22:10
Gooday Teddy : If it was me I would be changing it maybe a separate plug ( Anderson etc ) maybe seek help from sparky !!!!
on another note , when weird thing happen to your lights on a trailer check the earth ,a bad earth does some strange things .
cheers nick
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Follow Up By: Gavin M2 - Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 02:24
Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 02:24
Hi Blueteddy,
When I bought my Jayco Expanda recently, that's how they wired it for me - although in a small, round 7-pin plug/socket in my case. They use the reversing light pins to run power from tow vehicle battery to van battery (and run the fridge while connected). I am surprised it appears to work as the wire size doesn't seem nearly adequate (my van battery HAS been charged though - when I leave the fridge off).
The Jayco salesman reminded me to turn the fridge off if I stopped for a while because it would drain my car's battery (because the wire stays live - as you've found). I couldn't rest worrying if I would forget this and end up stranded with a flat battery! So I had a Redarc installed in that lead to isolate the van once I turn the ignition off - now I can relax and forget about it.
Gavin
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Follow Up By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 07:02
Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 07:02
My van has an Anderson direct to the battery. The fridge was wired to pin 2 of the van plug and the tug pin 2 wired to the reversing lights. Of course this was unsatisfactory so the fridge was then wired to the Anderson plug wiring and of course pin 2 was then 12v at the van plug and the reversing light on the tug were on whenever the van was plugged in, disconnect pin 2 and all was fine. It seems there are a couple of "standard" ways of wiring vans and tugs.
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Reply By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:39
Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:39
Here's the Aust Std (2513) for flat & large 7 pin plugs
Pin 1=yellow=left turn
2=Black= 12volt Aux (sometimes used as reverse but not recommend)
3=white=Earth (Common return)
4=Green=Right turn
5=Blue=Electric brakes
6=Red=stop lights
7=Brown tail & side lights
Note if PIN 2 is used as reverse light at the car end & that car is plugged to a Electric hydraulic trailer braking system the Electric brakes will not work (unless car is in Reverse) & if pin 2 is not wired to power the Electric brakes will not work as power to brakes is supplied by pin 2 black (power) & pin 5 blue electric brakes only powers the solenoid's to activate braking system
A lot of auto elec are not up to speed with this system
Hope this helps
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Follow Up By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 06:51
Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 06:51
I haven't got the box with me but I recall that the plug box had pin 2 as 'reverse'. It would appear that even the manufactures are not up to speed with aus standards.
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Reply By: Member - Jim - Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 08:40
Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 08:40
Blueteddy,
Vans do not normally have reversing lights connected.
A thing to look at here is that they may be using your reversing lights (on the car) to charge the breakaway system battery (if fitted).
My brother in laws van breakaway system battery only charges when the brake lights are activated!
Cheers
Jim
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:18
Sunday, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:18
Dave,
You've probably noticed it by now, but there's a box near the heading of your post pointing to an article giving details of the standard wiring for trailer connections. Other connections will work of course, but staying standard has advantages when you connect to different vehicles or different trailers.
Cheers
John
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