Painting artwork onto a Coaster Bus ... anyone done it before ????

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I have a 99 Coaster bus and am extreamly lucky to have an offer to have it "painted" in "aboriginal artwork" ......
Now i have seen it done on other vehicles but i need to know what is needed to do it...
What type of paint do i use....
Do i need to prime/undercoat the original paint (Std Coaster white) .....

Any ideas or info would be great as i would HATE to go to all the trouble and have it peel off, he is a very good artist ..
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Reply By: Axle - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:42

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:42
LOl Lol lol lol.lol,... Hi Joe,,,As if you have Know idea???.



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Follow Up By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:28

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:28
i have a Blog, actually my only one haha and it is about various paintings from our travels, one is about the "Gungaleeda Tribe" we have since collected about 9 more from him, he is an awsome painter and he is the one that has offered to paint up the bus...... so i REALLY dont want to stuff this one up eh
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Reply By: Tonyfish#58 - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:50

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:50
Yes - We painted our bus which we drove around Australia - We did not do real fancy work but my ex wife was a good artist. We used off the shelf automotive paints and after we finished used a clear coat.

It all went well, but I guess you will have to try a patch to see if you get a bad reaction or not :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:18

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:18
that is my worry, years ago we painted an old bedford truck and it peeled a few weeks later, it looked like tiny little crinkles and ended up peeling...
that i really DONT want .
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Follow Up By: sweetwill - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 07:58

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 07:58
Hi Joe.
the reason the bedford paint peeled of and went crinkly was that it still had some type of polish attached to the surface, Bill.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:39

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:39
I would totally wet and dry the whole surface to give it a "key" then wipe it down with proper paint prep stuff, its sorta like super metho, but specifically for paint prep.

Then go for it.

Couple or three sprayed clear coats afterwards to tie it all down and then PICTURES ON EO of the finished artwork. It sounds like a fantastic project!
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 12:43

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 12:43
"Super Metho" = Prepsol

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:55

Friday, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:55
That's it Fab. Thanx mate
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Reply By: Member - Brian P (SA) - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:58

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 20:58
Hi Joe n Mel n Kids. Why not ask Dave in Broken Hill If he can find out what the Late Pro Hart painted his Rolls Royce with. Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:16

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:16
Gday Brian
Back in the old days, Dave had a Pioneer bus painted . He might still have that type of info in his cranium .



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Follow Up By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:20

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:20
good point, i remember that RR...
Thanks Brian i will wait to see if Dave pops up.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:40

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:40
Member Message him Joe he will be sure to get it then!
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:09

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:09
The suggestion of automotive paint is the way to go. One of our girls touched up the fading/peeling paintings which were on our caravan when we purchased it. She also painted on the 40 for UHF channel, and the boat stickers were peeling off. Her then partner has a panel and paint business, so she had ready access to the right sort of paint. I'm pretty sure she didn't use any primer.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:39

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:39
Oh for a ten minute edit window.

She also painted on the 40 for UHF channel, AS the boat stickers were peeling off.
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:55

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 21:55
G'day Joe, yes Muzbury is right, I was involved with the coach Pioneer had painted up by some of the artists here.
After a long discussion amongst the artists, it was decided to use Solver household enamel.
The vehicle was etch primed first, and then the enamel was put on, firstly, a base coat of a background colour was sprayed on, then the artist painted their images on.
They thought that the enamel gave them a better flexibility to mix the colours and apply the paint rather than a fairly quick drying auto paint.
The artist were quite happy using that paint, and it lasted very well.
The vehicle did many hundreds of thousands of kilometres and was washed every day.
Just the washing in the bus wash every day would sort out some of the paints I would imagine.
The vehicle ran around Australia for about 5 years before it went back to the original Pioneer colour scheme, so it lasted very well.
Pro Hart painted the back of the coach, and as far as I know, he also used the same type of paint on his Roller. He did the Rolls Royce about 1996 I think.
Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian P (SA) - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:05

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:05
Hi Dave. Would that be turps based enamel ? Brian.
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Follow Up By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:17

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:17
Yes, as far as I can remember Brian.
We did it in 1993 I think it was, and it was normal household enamel straight off the shelf.

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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:56

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 22:56
Definately use oil based enamel rather than water based. Water based will not last nearly as well. Good oil based enamel onto an etched surface will stick so long as it is not applied "thick"...... on a verticle surface it will run if too thick anyway. Auto and spray enamels stick better but as said above, are fast drying and its hard to get pure colours. With enamels you can get the yellow, red, blue, etc bases and mix from there.... or the bases may be good enough without mixing.... yellow base paint is usually really vivid. The bases sometimes come in a number of hues, so have a peek at them before you buy. It will take at least a few days of good sun to harden... probably even more.

I have not painted a bus but I have done a lot of art work with enamels. I find the little tins off the shelf don't seem to have a vibrant yellow lately (hard to get a good off the shelf red sometimes to).
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Follow Up By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 23:40

Monday, Oct 31, 2011 at 23:40
many thanks guys, Dave thanks for the message, i actually never would have even thought "houshold enamels" would even come close to car paints but some really good points raised, i may experiment with a small panel for a while to make certain i get it right ... i have one advantage, Aboriginal paintings tend to stick to fairly basic "earth" colours so i am lucky and i am not a big fan of Aboriginal paintings with "viabrant" colours, nothing traditional at all with bright colours..
Cheers and thanks again Dave and also Bill and others for "interesting" and very helpful replys, makes the exoz membership well worth it.
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Follow Up By: Member - John L (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 08:59

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 08:59
Please post photos as it sounds a great project. We have just had Cow Parade with 64 fibre glass cows painted by artists & out in the weather for 6 months - normal household enamel lasted the best.
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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 11:15

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 11:15
I suppose I wasn't clear. By vibrant I mean rich in pigment and true of colour. Even the "traiditional" art often uses a strong yellow and strong red in place or yellow and red ochre. The off the shelf tins are not pure, for example, an off the shelf yellow is usually an orange yellow... its ok but the red in it makes it receed when next to red. If you look at the mixing charts for household paint, a yellow may have 5 or 6 non yellow tints in it to make "golden sunshine"... or the like. These non yellow tints make a huge difference if you are trying to paint alongside other colours. Anyhow, enough about that. Good luck with it and keep us all posted.
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 09:42

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 09:42
Ask a spray painter but I think you should wash it, clean the paint with Prepsol, use household paint (manufacturers say their water-based paints better than oil-based these days... unless you want a super high gloss finish then enamels still get the nod) as playing with automotive paints a lot more difficult, then cover it in a clear coat, either properly by a spray painter if you want it to last a long time, or DIY with spray cans. Much easier to get earthy colours in household paint too.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 20:24

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 20:24
I had an emu painted on the side of my Patrol in 2005. The car has lived in the sun, wind and rain ever since and the emu still looks good.

The surface preperation was a quick rub with the heel of the artists hand. The emu was painted using artists oils. Like what Rembrandt used. I then had it covered with an auto acrylic which was applied by a very good spray painter.

It cost more than the emu.

Like I said earlier, it still looks good. Credit to Peter Brown.

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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 20:25

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2011 at 20:25
Our OKA is signwriters enamel on appropriately prepared fibreglass (except for the ants which are vinyl cut from 3M vinyl.
http://www.oka4wd.com/xt196.htm



It has survived remarkably well.

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