Power Consumpion

Gday,
Ive got the thumper 105AH also a 120watt solar panel set-up. I currently run a 50ltr Waeco plus led lighting. I was considering buying an 80ltr Waeco to run aswell. Would my set-up be able to run having the 80ltr on fridge & the 50 on freezer aswell as the lighting? What would the power draws be. I dont want to drain the thumper to low & risk stopping a Waeco.

Thanks in advance for any help you provide me.

Regards Vaughan
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 07:53

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 07:53
Vaughan,

Depends how long you want to run with that load, ambient temperature, and of course on how much sunshine you can get into your battery. Roughly though - each Waeco will draw around 4-5 amps when the compressor is running. The fridge will run about 1/3 of the time and the freezer about double that, a total of about 120 Ah per day. Forget the power required by the LEDs - it's insignificant compared to that required by the fridges.

Assuming an MPPT controller for the solar panel, a summer day with good sunshine and the panel aimed fairly well at the sun, you might harvest 50-60 Ah per day.

For the battery to have a decent lifetime it shouldn't be discharged more than about 2/3, and should be fully recharged asap. One day's solar input is roughly enough to make up for the drain overnight. There will be a daily deficit of around 60-70 Ah, which the battery can supply for not much more than one day. Poor sunshine and the setup won't run the fridges for 24 hours.

This is roughly in line with our own experience - with a 40 litre Waeco running as a fridge, we need about 25-30 Ah per day. With 200W of panels, 200Ah of storage no problems.

You might find our blog Electricity for Camping of interest.

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John
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:21

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:21
John your calculation might be OK for a Waeco up to 60Lts but the 80Lt draws 3 times the power due to the fans...... Waeco specs- up to 60Lts .85amps and the 80Lt 2.9amps.

Vaughan I think you might be cutting it a bit fine with you limited power supply.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 10:25

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 10:25
Olcoolone,

The Waeco figures you quote are the claimed average ones with the small fridge running as a fridge and the 80 litre one as a fridge freezer - not directly applicable to the OP's intended use, so I made a rough guestimate. As you say, I didn't get it right!

The Waeco specs show a running current of 7.5A for the 80 litre fridge compressor, which is almost exactly double that of my 40 litre fridge compressor. (The Waeco specs for the smaller compressor are currently not accessible on line.) 7.5 amps, rather than my 4 to 5 blows the scheme further out of the water.

There are really too many variables to make an accurate assessment of the energy budget, but it's pretty clear that it isn't a viable.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 15:18

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 15:18
Vaughan mate youve got bucklies, of that rig running continouolsy and keeping up in any weather.

As a rough rule of thumb, if you expect to run reliably in all weather on a continuous basis and get reasonable service life out of your battery with out outside charging input..

You will need at least 2 x 180 watt pannels to keep up with the typical 40 liter fridge and a bit of LED lighting.

Remember the pannels are rated at full sun in a high radiation area, a given solar panel my go its entire life and never approach its rated output.
then the best you can hope is 6 hours of good high intensity sun a day......and that is a day that is fine and not overcast and the pannel is not in shadow.

The size of the battery will simply determine how long the rig will run without sun......

a meduim sized freezer ( 50 litres) and a big fridge (80 liters) and in hot weather, you will be lucky to last overnght on 105AH.

AND that is assuming that both the fridge and freezer and their contents are down to temp before you start.

start a freezer from room temperature empty and it will probaly run continuously for half a day till it is down to temp properly its self, if it is then loaded with unfrozen stuff it may run more or less continuously for 24 hours or more

As soon as you say the word FREEZER your refrigeration demand skyrockets, expect to at least tripple or quadruple the current demand of that unit opposed to running as a fridge.

The best you can hope for is some extension of the run time between charges.

soory but that is how I see it.

If you don't believe me, fire up the existing rig at -15C and see how it copes.

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Follow Up By: Gryphons - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 17:45

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 17:45
What about just upgrading to an 80ltr Waeco? Would I still struggle with power if I ran this as a fridge & not run my current 50ltr?
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 00:18

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 00:18
It all depends on what your expectations are.

Do you expect your fridges to run continuoulsy without any outside charging and for how long.

how is your fridge situated as far as being in a cool place.

How deep do you expect to cycle your battery and how long do you expect it to live.

All this stuff comes down to ho long a piece of string is.


How about you start with finding out exactly how your existing fridge actually performs in the current set up.

I doubt very much that even with the existing set up that you will be reliably 100% solar self sufficient, I recon two cloudy days in a row and you'll be well bugered.

First thing to establish is how long the existing fridge (Fully loaded and pre chilled...bottles of water will do) will run from the existing fully charged battery till the low voltage cut out drops its bundle.

Then you can hook up the solar pannel and see how it travels.....

Once you have done that give it a run as a frezzer 3/4 full icecream containers of water is a suitable load.

all this you can do at home

I trust you have a good digital voltmeter so you have some idea how things are going.

You can fiddle about with different fridges, better insulation and all sorts of foolishness, but the fact remains " ya can'a change the laws of physics, Jim".

The bottom line is that if ya want to run big fridges, you need to run big batteries and a pretty solid source of charge.

Now how about a punt.
As a very rough guess on your existing set up, I recon you will get 2 to 3 days run time out of the battery tops, with use of the solar pannel under conditions that are in your favour ya might extend that run time to 5, 6 or more days, but if you have a couple of cloudy days or even worse rain all bets are off.

As I said......If you get 24 hours out of it as a freezer on the battery unaided I will be most surprised.


Give it a try..see how close I am.....no cheating mind..remember the maximum safe temp for a fridge is 5 deg C for a fridge and -15 degC for a freezer.....

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Reply By: PhilD - Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 22:01

Monday, Nov 07, 2011 at 22:01
Hi, have you considered the Autofridge? It will cost more initially but the 75 litre running as a fridge will draw about 4 amps for 4 to 5 hours per day and make a huge difference to the battery capacity and solar panels required.
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Reply By: Member - bbuzz (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 09:50

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 09:50
Forget all that extra cost with solar and big batteries.

Just get a 3 way and use gas. Cheaper all round and the gas works a treat - as good as 240v in keeping things cool or cold.

Whats with this obsession with Waeco and batteries?

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