Do scammers ever give up?

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 12:44
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My daughter sold my troopy the other day to the first of 13 genuine buyers.

Although I still got 2 scammers by email/text.

Likewise with the campertrailer, I have had two scammers in two days.

I am very tempted to tell them what to do with their paypal offer, but I have reported them and will just ignore any more emails or texts.

I recall that someone played a Nigerian scammer at his own game a few years ago.

Pity I can't remember how he did it.

I feel better now.

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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 12:58

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 12:58
hi boo boo
short anwer no-
they have 24hrs a day to use for hacking
there loosers who have nothing -so anything they can gain by default is a plus including a jail term

had one try and crack my paypal acct just recently something in the email name put me on the alert and made me realize something didnt add up
so rang paypal who comfirmed it was a hacker from the UK
i had to change my registered details
ok since
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Bugeye - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:06

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:06
Unbelievable until now...
I placed an advert in the trading post this morning at around 8am and 5 hours later have had 4 emails and 3 txts to my mobile... all scammers!!
cheers
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Bugeye - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:05

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:05
Here is one of them from this morning...
"Hi, I'm intersted in your car and ready to make a quick purchase. I'm willing to offer $200 above your price. Reply to kopuxd@hotmail.com if my offer is accepted"
Word for word that is what I received.
John
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:25

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:25
Hi all,
I would find it interesting if you could paste the text from the scammer’s emails into your posts.
Not only from curiosity, but it may help in identifying their techniques.
Regards Dennis
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Follow Up By: pmk03 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 15:19

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 15:19
G'Day Dennis,

Have a look at post no; 89303

I pasted a copy of what was emailed to me.....

Paul
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:28

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:28
They usually go like
"I am working offshore on an oil rig/merchant ship/whatever" and I want to buy your XXXXX as a gift for my dad/sister /brother/ etc ."
Regards Philip A

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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:31

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 13:31
I just don't know where they get all their money from and they don't even want to negotiate prices..... in some cases they are the ideal buyers LOL!

When we had our camper trailer listed 12 mths ago we had 3 scammers including one who wanted more photo's and details..... the one who wanted more photo's and details I'm sure was going to set up a fake add using our photo's and information and try and suck someone in....... you know the type "$40,000 camper trailer only done 5,000k for sale for only $8,999".... what a bargain.

I see on average 10 adds a week in the Adelaide Advertiser news paper that are fraudulent.... you know the ones- big add + picture + Gmail email address + cheap price = scammer.

On a bit of a different note I feel sorry for legit people who have a "Hotmail, Gmail etc." type email account as we have stopped responding to people with these accounts at work and I know many others who have to.

The sad thing is so many people can't resist a bargain even if it is to good to be true..... there is a scammer going around to businesses in Adelaide selling Iphones.... 12 x Iphone valued at $9,000 for a once off price of only $5,000.... guess what it seems they are selling a few.
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Reply By: Capt. Wrongway - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:15

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:15
I had one just last week. Apparently he worked on an oil rig and just did'nt have the time to come and view the vehicle but would trust me and buy it through paypal.
I offered to stick oars out the windows and row it out to him, but he never got back to me.
Capt.
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Reply By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:29

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:29
Of course they wont give up... its their job. No scam - no pay.
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Follow Up By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:47

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 14:47
Here is one that I recieved this morning from ScamWhatch.......
They never stop think of ways to get you.

Scam callers asking for payment to deliver parcels

View radar online.

Added: November 2011

SCAMwatch and Australia Post are warning of scam callers pretending to be from Australia Post and requesting payment to redeliver an undelivered parcel.

How the scam works
•You receive a call out of the blue from someone claiming to be an Australia Post employee or a staff member from an Australia Post retail outlet.
•The scam caller claims that Australia Post has been unsuccessful in delivering a parcel to you and that redelivery can be arranged after you make a payment.
•The scammer will provide a reason as to why the initial delivery failed, such as the parcel being too large.
•The payment amount may vary and the scammer may ask for payment in a number of ways such as credit card or international wire transfer.
•The scammer may ask for personal information such as your credit card or bank account details.



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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 15:51

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 15:51
Well, I guess they are very much alive and well.

The first text I ever got looked pretty good until I texted backed that I didn't have photos at the moment, he texted backed that photos didn't matter and that he would buy etc, etc.

I think if you advertise something and give out a phone number and they reply by email or text then you should smell a rat.

Anyway at the moment it seems easier to sell a troopy than a campertrailer.....hmmmmmm.

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Reply By: luke80 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:27

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:27
They target ebay aswell. I had 2 yesterday by email offering to buy my item now for more than the auction price. They had poor english and grammar and looked computer generated "have you still the item, is the item good condition, I am buy this item now" etc etc ...........it was wheels and tyres and neither email mentioned wheels or tyres only "the item" .....losers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:50

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:50
Yeh in some cases the grammar is terrible and in others it is fairly good.

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:39

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:39
Hi all,
I regularly use Paypal to purchase items but have never sold anything using their services.
Thousands sell, using their services but I wouldn’t, based on information from this site.
From what I understand from reading these posts, is that the scammers pay for the advertised item through Paypal prior to delivery. On delivery they then claim a refund from Paypal for reasons such as item not delivered or incorrectly described. That scenario I can understand but I would have thought Paypal would contact the seller for confirmation, before refunding the scammer.

Has anyone had an actual experience or advice from Paypal that they would refund the scammer without the sellers approval?

I can’t understand why a direct credit to my bank account should be a risk. Businesses regularly give out their account numbers to enable their customers to transfer money into them. The account number alone is not a risk – there is also a need for Id number and password to debit money from an account.

So where does the risk come from with direct credits to my account?

I have not raised these matters frivolously and would appreciate any information you may have.

Regards Dennis
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:56

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:56
Dennis

I have never used paypal to sell an item, but the scammers want you to accept paypal payments,, soooo I am presuming they are able to get their money back quite quickly using paypal.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:02

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:02
Sorry Dennis

The scammers I have had never mention direct debit. Paypal is not exactly DD as they are a 3rd party putting money into your bank.

However if the scammer put money directly into your account he cannot get it out at a later date. Thats why legit businesses give out their account number.

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Follow Up By: kev.h - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 19:04

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 19:04
Money paid into your account is usually safe
Only if there is a dud cheque involved then your account will be debited the amount of the cheque
The trick with scammers is they have several accounts they bank a dud cheque transfer it around several accounts by cheque then pay you by the time the first bank notifies the second bank etc 3 weeks have gone by then you get the statement with dishonered cheque noted on it
Overseas can take weeks to process but your bank will allow you to draw on it as each bank assumes alls well until it gets to the last one and theres no money
Cheers Kev
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Reply By: wildbill05 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:52

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:52
Has anyone had an actual experience or advice from Paypal that they would refund the scammer without the sellers approval

Yes - my daughter (ebay paypal seller etc) sent items to a returning "customer".
Customer reports that an unauthorised transaction appears on her credit card and complains to PayPal.
Paypal immediately takes money off my daughter and starts investigation.
Daughter provides details of sale including emails from "customer" dates etc.
PayPal finds in favour of the customer and daughter loses $500.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:04

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 17:04
Thanks Wildbill, it appears that Paypal is biased towards the buyer (or scammer) and that it is risky to sell large ticket items using them. Though it would appear that purchases are less of a risk.
Thanks for the info.
Dennis
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Reply By: napalm_999 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:58

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 16:58
Good on you for picking them up Boo Boo and I wouldn’t hesitate at all to tell them what to do with their BS offer.

You’re almost guaranteed to get this issue when selling online through classifieds but there are a few tips you can use to protect yourself

- Use a home number to avoid random text messages.
- Call phone numbers to confirm authenticity if they do text you.
- Keep an eye on “odd” looking email addresses from hotmails/gmails/etc, but remember real people do use these web based mails applications as well.
- Be on the outlook for “stock emails” that don’t relate to specifics: “Hi, I'm interested in your car and ready to make a quick purchase. I'm willing to offer $200 above your price.” is a perfect example. No mention of what car or what price.
- Offering overpayment for an item is almost guaranteed a scam.
- If posting an item, never post until you’ve confirmed funds have cleared your bank. Never trust a paypal receipt or link to external payment website. Check your own bank.
- If the worst does happen and you lose money to a scam, go straight to Scamwatch and report the scam. They can help you recover your money.
- This website can also be used to report scams that you don’t lose money too. Information your report can help track regular offenders and create trends to help catching these lowlifes.

The less these losers take, the less of them there will be over time.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:06

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:06
Once you have had one scammer the ones' that follow are fairly easy to pick.

That's what I have found anyway.

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Reply By: louie the fly - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:51

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 18:51
I had a quite few when I sold my 4runner. The dude offered me $3K more than I wanted. Said he wanted it for his brother in NZ. I thought "why would you pay 3 grand more for a 19 year old 4runner and send it to NZ to surprise his bro. They must hate each other. He even wanted to buy my 6x4 trailer for $1500. I played their game for a while then told them (not so politely) to go forth & do their thing for world population.

I spoke to a guy last night who's selling a motorbike. He had a few. When I bought my Triton 2nd hand recently, he'd had a few. And so on. The common link here is putting your mobile number in the ad. From now on if I place an ad on ebay or the like, no mobile numbers. I will only a question through the system. No response to sms.
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Follow Up By: 4running - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 20:10

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 20:10
I had a few when I advertised my old car on tradingpost. they all said the same thing... "i will buy the car sight unseen,offer you full price!!" the offers came via sms and email. the funny thing was that I advertised a few weeks before I returned to work, on a merchant ship, so once i started getting a few legitimate calls, I told them that I was on a ship and wouldnt be home for a few weeks, and they never called me back!! I couldnt work it out until I heard that scammers say they work at sea or in the mines etc
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Reply By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 20:14

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 20:14
Hi there Boo Boo, I have had them strung on for a while having fun, emails back n forth, till in the end told them to f off and reported them etc. I just emailed a ebay user yesterday to let them know some one was using there account to try and sell some stuff for a prado, didnt hear anything back but did notice the add gone. If I see any of this crap going on now I just report it straight away. I feel sorry for some people who have lost money but some people are also so bloody stupid, Who in there write mind would put 10g or more, even less into some ones account with out seeing what they are buying ?? I just bought a second hand amp for outside, was only $100 He wanted me to put it into his account straight away so he new I was genuine. told him Ill give him the $$ when I pick it up, he was ok with that. Not to bad with paypal as your covered although they have changed the policy on car purchases I believe not sure if thats true or not...................
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Reply By: Member - Rob Mac (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 21:08

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 21:08
A mob called 419eater used to scam the scammers. havnt looked at their site for a while but the did some doozys.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:54

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:54
Rob

Just had a quick look and they appear to be going quite strong.

I might have a closer look later today and have a bit of fun with the next scammer.

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Reply By: The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 17:49

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 17:49
I think we give them far too much air-time...

Just ignore the obvious ones and don't even engage them, tempting as it is you're wasting your time, not theirs, they don't give a rats what you think and by the time you've fired off an email they've probably tried to scam another 1,000 people one way or the other.

My two bob’s worth...



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