Lazy rear axle for Landcruiser

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 22:26
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Hi All, Just wondering if anybody has upgraded there Landcruiser Tray with a second ( lazy ) rear axle. I am considering a slide on camper and thought the extra axle would carry the weight better.
How would the off road ability be affected with a second axle ??
Fuel consumption suffer compared to towing a trailer ??

Your thoughts appreciated.

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Barry

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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 23:34

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2011 at 23:34
We've had several 6x4 Cruisers in the past at work & while they certainly allowed a much heavier load to be carried, the four wheel drive performance was terrible as the lazy axle took too much weight off the drive wheels requiring the front axle to be engaged regulary even when crossing shallow table drains etc.Tyre wear too was appauling lucky to get 20,000km & always seemed to be picking up punctures as well. Fuel consumption was well up but of course we were carrying far more weight so hard to compare with an equivelant 4x4.
I'd be more inclined to fit one of the lighter low profile alloy slide on campers to help keep the weight within GVM & not compromise offroad ability.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:30

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:30
Craig thanks for your reply, was the vehicles rear suspension leaf springs or airbag.
I have read that airbag suspension enables all four wheels to remain in contact with the ground.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 17:05

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 17:05
The vehicles were all load sharing leaf sprung. It wont matter if coil or leaf as the lazy axle by it's design takes weight off the drive wheels reducing traction. I would only recommend a lazy axle system for main road use.
One other issue they can have is the handbrake is often useless when parked on uneven ground. We had several runaways when the the drive wheels had insufficient weight on them & then twice when parked in tne snow.
Put the money you're looking to spend on the extra axle towards a decent light weight trayback camper.
Cheers Craig.......
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 05:55

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 05:55
No personal experience, but friends confirm Barry's assessment.
Stay light or buy an OKA :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:57

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:57
Good morning Peter
I read the other day that OKA was for sale ...

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 06:18

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 06:18
Looking for a local investment partner I think.

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 23:03

Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 23:03
Gday
I new that there was something that I had read about them Pete ...

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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:38

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:38
Hi Barry,

You might like to contact 6x6 Australia as their second axle is a driving, rather than 'lazy', axle.

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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:33

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:33
Thanks Dickybeach for your comment the cost I would think would be prohibitive for my application.

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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 19:24

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 19:24
Gday
Put an air bag on top of the driving axle to increase traction .

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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:07

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:07
Hi Muzbry thanks for the comment I have firestone airbags already fitted.

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Reply By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 19:29

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 19:29
Barry pending on what type of lazy axle you go, if its just a straight lazy it will be crap & will hang you up all the time, but fit a 60/40 share with the weight of your camper & you will find it will go better than a straight 4x4 with the extra weight, empty & you will find that in some situations it will be detrimental & you will have to lock in the 4wd as others have stated but loaded you will drive on sand heaps better as the weight is spread over 6 wheels, I could go on for pages on the pros & cons but if your near Jervis bay nsw I could show you, have owned several, But the big BONUS is that you will be LEGAL as most wagons & utes are over there GVM when loaded on big trips & most 6x4 have a 4500GVM mine have been all over oz, Simpson,cape etc if you what more info member msg me phone email etc
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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:22

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:22
Hi Vince appreciate reply and offer to contact you unfortunately I'm not a member. I would like to take a look at your rig but I'm in Melb. Looks like you have a good set up.
Could you ring me on 0409436081.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rocker (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:59

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 21:59
+1 on the rig - great looking set up
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 22:04

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2011 at 22:04
Vince did you have that rear pod buit or is it a ready made unit?

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Reply By: 12HT75 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:42

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:42
Check out this business:

http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/

They may do what you need.

They say that by using airbags they can dump the air from the lazy axle if necessary to put more weight on the drive axle to get traction offroad.

I am only guessing here but I would say the fuel consumption would be a bit less than towing a trailer and not having to tow would be more convenient, however you can drop a trailer whereas the lazy axle is with you all the time.

If you do a fair amount of load carrying the rest of the time when not camping, I would go for the lazy axle, otherwise maybe a camper trailer would be better.
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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:21

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:21
12ht75 Thanks for the reply I have contacted creative conversions already there set up is around $15000 still looking at my options.

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Reply By: Geepeem - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:01

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:01
Toyota 6X4

Hey Barry,
Have you thought about buying one already converted rather than doing your own. I had a quick look on car sales and there are a few 6x4 (Toyota and Nissan) for sale. The point is the aftermarket resale is probably less than the value of the vehicle + conversion. And if it doesn't work out you can probably resell without a big loss. Prices on carsales range up to $40,000 but above is a link to the cheapest Toyota I can see ($13,999):

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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:17
Geepeem thanks for reply your point is a valid one I have considered a used 6x4 but as I have had my cruiser from new and set up how I want it I'm reluctant to change. Thanks for link I'll check it out.

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Barry
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