Weight Distribution Hitches

Submitted: Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 17:35
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I have towed both a 16 foot Jayco and a 17 foot Coromal for 6 years on a Subaru Outback manual and now a diesel Nissan X trail I have always used a four hook Camec hitch with good results.
I now read in many forums and books that both manufacturers do not recommend their use.
It their a reason or just a case of it is easier for them and puts any towing problems out of warranty.( I note there is no sure mention in the owners manual) or maybe their tow bar is not good enough.
Likewise the Nissan Pathfinder and I know of two using a Hayman Reece hitch.
The article in Caravan World recently of a Pathfinder and Jayco shows a terrible low vehicle towing the van. I sure all would have went better with a WDH.
I will keep using mine.
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Reply By: willawa - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 18:57

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 18:57
Hi John B

I have been towing a camp-o-matic and now an Utilmate CT with an X-trail. Had the same problem with the C_O_M so installed heavier springs and a hayman reese highlift hitch that levelled everything out and improved the ride both with and without the trailer.
Also check if your hazard lights work when the van is attached if not you may need a sub harness, if they don't speak to your Nissan dealer or Nissan direct.

might be worth checking out.
saves setting up the Camec

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Reply By: The Bantam - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 19:53

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 19:53
Weight distributing hitches are curious devices, they seem to be unknown in heavy transport.

I've never had the need to use one, but I have friends that have had vans and trailers that were down right dangerous without.

It occurs to me that they are a device designed to compensate for a towing vehicle simply not being designed for the purpose that it is being used for.

I can see that some vehicle designers, in this day of litigation may not like the idea of transfering stresses thu the hitch and the chasis of the towing vehicle in a way that they can not controll.

Lots of the light utes are not very strong in the rear part of the chasis, and there are some interesting pictures about of late model utes with very seriously bent chasis, caused while towing what would seem to be a load within specification.

We have made a step from loght utes of the 97 to 05 era having towing capacities of arround 1.8 tonnes to the current crop having towing capacities of more than 3 tonnes.
The new utes are not twice the weight and no way are they twice as strong....something has to give.

The same situation has to be rolling thru the sedan and station waggon market too.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 01:53

Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 01:53
With heavy transport you generally get heavy pig trailers that are particularly long. The tow vehicles are more solidly suspended and the distance of hitch to tear axle as a ratio of the wheelbase length is a lot less than a sedan or a lot of 4WDs.

The longer the van and the more weight that is built into the ends, the more you need WDH. I have a mate whose son had a lot of experience with two horse floats (which are not light weight.) He was continually slinging off at his father about using WDH - that was until he started towing his own caravan (much longer trailer.)

Regarding utes with bent chassis - all that I know of had air-bags installed. Air-bags do not have a linear spring rate as you compress them. As they get shorter they get much stiffer. As the back of the ute thumps down on bumps when travelling off road the rock hard air-bag takes most of the load and the springs take less of the weight. If you are needing stronger springing in the rear, beef up the leaf springs, don't use air-bags. When towing, use WDH, that stresses the chassis up, not down. You will have noted all the utes with bent chassis bend down.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 14:36

Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 14:36
In heavy transport, long heavily loaded "pig" trailers are by far the excpetion, generally if at all possible. some other more stable sort of configuration is used.

In heavy transport pig trailers are either short and heavily loaded like tippers, or long and lightly loaded like foam trailers...if it is long and heavily loaded there are far better options, particularly now the licencing system ignores articulation as a factor.

Most of our caravans and light trailers are in fact "pig" trailers and they call them that for a reason.

One of the real and present problems is that consistently arises in both caravanning and boating, the legal limits are pushed and stretchd as far as they will go.

and with that.

Time after time people want to tow the biggest, longest, heaviest AND most aquard thing they can with a given tow vehicle, and a very large portion of the time with a tow vehicle that is designed with pasenger comfort as a priority over load carrying capacity and stability under load... but yet we persist.

So along comes a very sucessfull turd polishing device that is the weight distributing hitch.

Don't get me wrong they are a usefull, valid and far safer option in many situations...but we need to recognise them for what they are.

An after thaught solution to a less than ideal situation.

An afterthaught item that places stresses on the rear of the vehicle, stresses that in most cases it was never designed to take

So don't be surprised if some vehicle engineers don't like them for their models.

As far as the rear of most pasenger vehicles and light utes being weak...it remains the case and regardless of it bending up down or sideways the fact remains.

And the fact will continue to remain because of the requirement for crumple zones on pasenger cars.

Have a look at the amount of metalwork that is involved in some of the maximum capacity tow bars for the bigger pasenger cars....the falcon is a good example..in most models the structure of the tow bar continues way under the rear of the vehicle and is not just bolted on somewhere near the rear bumper.

Look under the back of many of the smaller SUVs...they are not substantial, and there realy is no option of installing some sort of forward going structure, even if it could be effectivly engineered.

So don't be surprised if more and more vehicle manufacturers refuse to authorise the use of weight distributing hitches.

Aferall some of the quoted towing capaities these days are plainly rediculous for anything more than a quiet trip to the local boat ramp.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 15:40

Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 15:40
Amen

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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:56

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:56
A number of manufactures make the use of an appropriate WDH manditory, while some others recommend their use and some recommend they not be used.
But Nissan prohibits the use of a WDH one an X-trail as does Hayman Reese if their tow hitch (Bar) is fitted to an X-trail.
The rear section of the X-trail chassis will not support the twisting forces applied by a WDH and there have been quite a few reports of chassis failure, and Nissan will not cover the failure under warranty if a WDH has been used.
So the answer is simple. Do Not Use a WDH on an X-trail.
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