Ouch that hurt!!
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 09:46
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Member - Greg H (NT)
Gidday all.
The other day had to change a tyre on the Hilux, not
mine new model. This Lux had the arb bar with the two slots to put the tongue of the hi lift jack in. Put the jack in lifted it up, but I was annoyed by the position of the slots because they are close to middle and that it was lifting the whole front up not just one side. Changed the tire, all good.
A coupla days later went to change the tyre over and thought bugga this I'll take a short cut and put the jack on the side of the bull bar.
Jacked it up,all good, took the tyre off and put the other tyre on, put one nut on then BANG WACK the jack slid off the bar with the jack hitting me on the scon. That hurt! Lucky for me I had a nut on the wheel so the Lux remained upright without the whole thing landing on the ground.
Lesson learnt. Most manufactures put a bit of thought into there products and if it is a bull bar with slots for your hi lift jack, don't take a short cut thinking she'll be right, use the proper points!!!
As most of us know the hi lift jack is a fantastic bit of gear, but if you stuff around with it it will stuff you.
I was lucky, all I received was a bruise and a small cut in the middle of my forehead.
Cheers
Greg
Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 09:56
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 09:56
At least you learnt a lesson. You broke a cardinal rule & almost paid the penalty.
Glad you weren't badly injured.
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Reply By: lancie49 - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:11
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:11
Got out of that one lightly didn't ya Greg.
Could've been a very unpleasant situation had the wheel not been on and you were reaching for that w/nut that had rolled under the truck.
Bet ya don't don't do that again.
Lucky boy.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:42
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:42
Candidate for
Darwin Awards.
How many publications , driver trainers,etc etc etc say not to do that.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: equinox - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52
I learn't my lesson with Kangaroo Jacks in the early nineties, letting go of the handle under pressure and almost taking out my jaw and face. Learnt my lesson.
I wouldn't say I was a candidate for the Darwins Awards though, and would take offense if told that.
Regards
Alan
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52
a general rule is the "high lift jack" is strictly for recovery and NOT for changing tyres, when instructing new employees in "remote travel" we first started telling them that and after seening some still using them because they had been told that they were for changing tyres by some "4WD expert",
well we simply removed them from all of the fleet and being a company car they were NOT allowed to use or carry one, if they could not change a tyre with the standard equipment as supplied they could not drive the car ..... i do know one brand stated it VERY clearly in there instructions about using it for recovery and NOT for changing tyres, i cant recall that brand..
Cheers
Joe
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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 16:10
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 16:10
Spot on. Telstra will not allow us to use anything but the wind up bottle jack. Takes longer and you have to get things setup correctly BUT they work.
Hi lift jack has sat in shed for 15 years now. Only use the toyota (my own vehicle) for changing flats BUT I do carry a smallish trolley jack as
well. Thank god I dont get many flats.
cheers and enjoy the wet!!
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51
agree
biggest issue is soooo many people cant understand simple diagrams
ive had alot of people tell me a tojo jack wont go down far enough to use one site even had these crappy trolley jacks in every vehicle for this reason
I show them the simple diagram on the jack which shows the jacking points
- they dont have to fit under the spring packs
if you have bigger
wheels then all you might need is a suitable thickness block of wood
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Reply By: River Swaggie - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 17:03
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 17:03
Mate as ive just said on another
Forum..I hate the mongrel things,they demand total respect and then some...
Hope the scones still ok although the ego's probably a bit bruised...lol
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 17:30
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 17:30
Yep seen that happen a few times so threw my Hi Lift in
the tip and use a winch to get me out of bogs and a jack to change tyres. Those bloody things can kill you if you make a mistake.
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 18:17
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 18:17
C'mon girls
Greg has just highlighted a couple of things here.
(a) A genuine Hi-Lift Jack is a fantastic, fabulous piece of gear.
(b) It is very easy to use SAFELY once you know how.
It can be used for a whole range of purposes VERY SAFELY as long as the operator has been trained how to.
Example.
We as society don't authorise(license) an untrained person to jump in a vehicle and drive it onto a city road.
The vehicle itself is safe, however if the operator/driver has no idea or never been behind the wheel of same before, then all safety considerations disappear and a disaster is waiting to happen.
Same applies to a Hi-Lift Jack. Fantastic piece of gear in trained hands - disaster just waiting to happen when operated by a novice.
Me Personally - I use a Hi-Lift for a number of applications, main one being changing a wheel/tyre. It is part of the equipment I carry on the Troopy and I also carry two bottle jacks as
well (OME + a Nissan one which will collapse down further than the OME).
Just remember - don't blame the tools/equipment, blame the operator for either not knowing how to use the subject gear, or selecting inappropriate equipment or damaged/unsafe/inoperable stuff in the first instance.
Regards
DD
PS
The Hi-lift doesn't get within coo-ee of my 200 series
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Follow Up By: Member - Krakka - Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 21:43
Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 at 21:43
Couldn't agree more DD. The OP admitted he had not used the equipment correctly, and there lies the error. The Jack didn't fail or malfunction.
Personally I don't own one cos I don't know how to use one, But that may change one day.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 01:07
Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 01:07
I agree with DD on this.
I carry a Hi Lift as
well as a 5 tonne bottle jack, 1800kg trolley jack, exhaust jack and the Toyota's original jack.
Each one gives you options to use after proper thought and analysis of the situation.
I have never used a Hi lift for changing a wheel and would use it as a last resort for such.
I have the ARB fitting to bolt the Hi Lift to my Bull bar or Kaymar Rear bar jacking points if required.
Every situation requires some thought and proper application of the respective
tools to reduce any possible risk.
The Hi Lift will remain a part of my recovery gear going forward.
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Reply By: heldus - Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 00:45
Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 00:45
Greg,
in the vernacular is a hi lift jack called as widowmaker.
Cheers
Helga
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Reply By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 00:14
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 00:14
Sorry the words "very safely" and "high lift jack" do not belong in the same sentence, regardless of the brand or situation.
Trained, and experienced or not, they are dangerous as hell, the only reason we still uses them is there is no other product commonly available that will do certain things they will do.
Hell those thigs can hurt you 5 different ways even before you put it near a vehicle.
I will not use one to change a tyre.
cheers
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