Australian Flag at Eromanga

It looks dark green to me :-)

I think the indigenous are already represented with the black and orange circle in the middle. If we were going to change, I think this could be a front-runner.

Josh,
the way I see this flag depicting all the areas of Australia are this.

The stars represent the states. The eureka design depicts the struggles and victories that came about by that action and others. The kangaroo is found in all areas of Australia. The green and gold are our traditional colours and the roo encompassed in the black and gold represents our indigenous people.

I personally also find the look of that flag to be very appealing.

Have a good one,
RA.

That's cool Rockape, Good description.

Josh

I meant the dark blue in the circle with the kangaroo Frank....or is my eyes going ?...it looks dark blue to me....if it is black then sure...leave it as it is...its perfect ...and Im off to more expense at the optomitrists !

Dont want to buy into the flag debate itself, as I lioke it as it is.
But I must say thats the best alternative Ive seen.
But isnt it a little short on stars?

"I love seeing schools raise the flag and have the kids stand at attention and sing the national anthem."

Josh that's what we did when I went to school. First thing every morning assembly. But back then it was God Save the Queen.

I find a lot of younger Aussies these days seem to embrace the Southern Cross. It is very common and often seen as car stickers, on clothing, tattoos etc.

Cheers mate.

Fred.

Josh..I think it is just a general reluctance to be under the sovriegnty of another country now by the new regime as a majority...most countries have their own flag that represents them...americas flag represents only them hence the patriotism..I think australians in general would be the same of a flag that purely depicted just australia and australians....I believe that flag would come close

Menace,

Yeah, I think that bit's black. I'll take myself to the optometrist too and perhaps after that we can compare notes :-)

Fisho,

I think all the stars are there. There are four in the cross, plus a small yellow one toward the upper right which makes a Southern Cross lying on its side, plus a big white Federation Star in the bottom left.

The more I think about this flag, the more I like it.

Since when has Green and Gold been our traditional colours?

The Green and Gold is no more than something our sporting talent wears overseas.

I don't see any relevance at all with these two colours depicting Australia.

Overall Rockape thanks for bringing the subject up, however Green and Gold aside, It looks ugly, is too complicated - and the stigma with Unions connection with the Eureka flag will be a hard one to shake.

Anyway the way our Premier over here has been acting lately there may be no Federation in 10 years - something I wouldn't argue against. Remember, the only reason WA is in the Federation is because people from the Eastern states were registered voters here when they were here for the big gold rush. No Gold = No Federation. Somethings never change hey?

Cheers
Alan

Alan,
I believe the association between Australia and the Eureka flag has nothing to do with trade unions but more to do with what former Australians struggled to achieve.

I have a different way of looking at unions and here it is.

Both Employers and employees are represented by unions. Confederation of industry, cattlemens union, farmers union and so on and many more that represent employers as there are employees.

Unions don't cause conflicts but power and greed do on both sides of the fence.

Humans nature is the problem. Balance is the answer.

Looking at unions is like a football game, if one side gets bulk penalties and the other nil something is wrong.

Remember your perceived problems with the Eastern states are not caused by the working class but by the big power brokers in business.

Answering you on the colours. I know what you are saying but we are recognised OS by those colours. With all the nations in the world there are not many colours to be shared around.

Have a good one,
RA.

More former Australians struggled and fought for what we have under the current Aussie Flag. I reckon its perfect as it is.

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More former Australians struggled and fought for what we have under the current Aussie Flag. I reckon its perfect as it is.
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not true most service men and women fought under the British Ensign.

"Shouldn't we be looking forward to be ONE people. Lets show what we have for the future. "

Agree 100%

"And, shock horror, not even one bit of the Eels in it either. Now that is a sin."

Hahahaha with you on that too.

Al

the dutch founded australia first and now maybe even the chinese ...maybe I am from dutch heritage and not england...so maybe we could include a clog and or chopsticks into it !

Menace,
As the Dutch never settled here one could hardly say they "founded" Australia. The only ones who stayed any length of time were the poor blighters who were shipwrecked and they died a sorry death.

yes I agree ..they didnt think it was worth anything from the west coast...apparently they sold or gave the rights of claim to england...but colonialism was under the union jack and they eventually changed the flag then...obviously with approval so why not again

I don't have an issue with changing the flag; I just haven't seen one I would want to change to.
Still in the commonwealth, Canada has a particularly distinctive flag without any reference to the union jack. I like it!
If we were to change, I consider it too difficult to try to embrace all cultural groups calling Australia home. I would prefer a uniquely Aussie theme such as that which Canada adopted.

With you there Steve&Cecily. The only thing I don't particularly like about the current flag is the fact that there are a number of similar national flags (which came first, ours or the kiwis?). Perhaps just the replacement of the union jack with a red kangaroo would suffice. The roo is obviously about as iconic a symbol as we are ever likely to find. I don't find anything particularly inspiring or attractive about the flag presented here.

Rockape - the union reference was probably referring to the BLF's 'misappropriation' of the Eureka Flag (a very attractive flag in its own right I reckon) for their own purposes.

As for the saluting the flag/my country right or wrong rubbish which we often connect the good 'ol USA with - thank heavens Australians are generally cynical of that sort of jingoism.

How about the national anthem? There may be more boring national tunes but ours would certainly be in the top 10 (along with GSTQ). The tune itself is more akin to a dirge than an anthem.

Should have read Fred's post below. NZ has more dibbs on the design than we do if theirs is indeed 30 odd years older.

I cannot fully see the big white star so I do not know how many points it has on it. But at a guess I would say its a carry forward of our Commonwealth Star, or Star of Federation, as shown on the left of the current flag.

Phil

Fred,
from memory there was no other flag. I see flags flown at the same height and even above the Australian flag at times.

I even see corporate flags flown at the same height. That really annoys me.

Have a good one,
RA.

"I even see corporate flags flown at the same height. That really annoys me. "
Yes I agree with you mate. It annoys me also.

Anyway, our flag is our flag, I'm not like some others that wave it at every chance they get, but none the less I'm proud of it. Australia Day, whether at home or camping it gets hoisted high, ANZAC day, again I will fly it( at half mast).
When every it is flown at the Olympics, I feel very proud., some times I've even shed a tear.

I love watching debates like this, all the differing opinions, it makes us who we are.

Good on ya for throwing it out there.

Cheers.

Jon,
well said i like your open minded view.

I sent this photo to a mate who has served overseas and has two sons who have done the same. One will never work again from what happened to him and the other works for the yanks in Iraq and Afganistan (I don't ask) but he has fallen out of a helicopter near the ground and really smashed his knee very badly.

I am awaiting his reply to my email what he thinks.

Have a good one,
RA.

Luv your comments Jon.

No shame in shedding a tear over National Pride mate.

I do, every time I see another young DIGGER come home, in a casket, draped in our National flag.

Fred.

You're not alone there mate.
Cheers

Our local council flies the Aboriginal flag on the centre & highest flag pole with the Australian flag to the right & Victorian flag to the left.
I find it offensive & can only say it is PC gone crazy.

A phone call to your local RSL sub branch, should set that right Shaker.

Someone obviously has no knowledge of the protocol involved, or simply doesn't care.

Maybe take a photo of the masthead display, and offer it to the media.

Fred

A national flag is symbolic to the people of any particlar nation, and as such, must be instantly recognisable as their own, without confusion. Personally I llove our current national flag

I served in time of conflict when the white ensign, displayed on all RAN ships was changed, in 1966, same year as decimal currency was introduced. They took away the big red George Cross, the symbol of mother England, and replaced it with the stars of the southern cross, in blue, with the federation star also in blue. This brought it in line with our National Flag, only white.
I can remember we suddenly felt we had our own identity. That was a change that personalised the white ensign for Australia's Navy.

If we change our flag completely, too many other changes will have to be made, in other areas.

Mind you, I never got around to changing the bold tattoo I got in 1965 displaying the old white ensign. People see it these days, and ask "What flag is that?" LOL LOL

Maybe Eromanga can adopt that as its shire flag. It looks good, but I for one don't want it to replace our Natinal flag.

Have a good week all.

Fred.

Off-track, did you know, the New Zealand Flag is actually older that the Australian flag?
It was actually flown by their ships at sea from 1869, and was adopted as their National flag on land in 1902, a year after we adopted ours in 1901.

Fred.

Mate,
we were having lunch in the park and I kept looking at it and thought the same as you.

Cheers,
RA.

Mr Rudd,
you can get one off Tony Abbott at www.openaustralia.org LOL.

RA.

Yer Grandfather died in two World Wars? Hell of a man.

Sorry Wilko, couldn't help myself.

I agree with you there Robin.

Try to be too inclusive and the flag becomes muddled and then you guarantee that some group has not been represented. Bit difficult to catch all in a country as diverse as this one. While I have no great issues with the current flag, I agree with the posters who say it is not distinctive enough and readily confused with other nation's flags.

On that front, I think the Canadian flag is one of the world's best. Fairly simple, no attempt to nod to every minority and oh so recognisable wherever it is seen. Just wonder what the Aussie equivalent of the maple leaf would be? Not a kangaroo IMHO, a great symbol but I run over about two a month and would feel even worse if they were on our flag.

FWIW I like the Aboriginal flag. Simple, distinctive and recognisable. Perhaps too many emotions tied up with us ever adopting it as the national flag, but I wouldn't mind.

Cheers,

Matt.