Hiace Camper Van - Build/Reno

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 16:48
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Hi

I am new to this forum and just about to start on a new journey - to either build from scratch with a second hand van or purchase and renovate an existing camper van.

I am unsure of budget just yet, but will probably go to 10k.

I dont want the full on camper with fridge, sink, cupboards etc.. What I really want is just a sleeping area for my wife and I and two young kids. Also need storage for esky, table, chairs etc. This is just for camping weekends etc as we are sick of setting a tent up, packing it away and dealing with trenches every time it pours down rain when we are camping, so at least if we can sleep inside we will get away from that issue.

I was wondering what the benefits of going for a standard SWB over LWB and hi-top vs pop top etc are.

I am hoping to get a van around the 1990-1995 model.

Can you sleep someone in the pop top area of a pop top Hiace, is it hard to set up and how much space, dimensions do you get in the pop top section to sleep in. I was thinking of having kids sleep in top pop section if possible and have double bed/setting and table at lower level along with storage behind the drivers/passengers seating.

Does anyone here have a Hiace van SWB/LWB that can give me the internal dimensions of the van. ie. floor to ceiling inside and length and width between wheel wells and walls, height of windows above floor in cargo area, width at widow and floor level.

Has anyone here done a conversion like this themselves? I am interested in any feedback.

We will use the van to sleep in and eat in and store gear. Will also set up side awning and maybe rear awning off rear cargo door.

We will set up table, cooking and seating out under the awning area, so semi-camping with good quality comfortable sleeping inside.

BTW - the idea is that I need a tow vehicle to tow my fishing kayak, so I though may as well get a van we can do up to sleep in and have tow ability (up to 2-300 kg only) for the trailer when I want to take the kayak out.

My main concern I guess with the standard height van is head height for sitting at a seating and removable table arrangement at the rear of the van. This would convert into a double bed at night. The kids would then sleep in another bed at the front section of the van, which would partly double as storage during transit.

Under the rear bedding and set arrangement would double as some storage also. Seats would have water, pump, gas bottles storage and eating equipment stored under them, so they would have hinged lids. To convert to bed there would be ply panels that would span between seats to form double bed to rear section.

The height of the bed/seats would be 450 mm above the floor level, so I need to confirm firstly whether adults could sit on these seats and still have head room to have a meal, watch some TV, play cards etc.

Any advice would be great.

I understand the Hiace is a good platform as it is common, popular and a reliable and solid vehicle in general.

Any views on the pop top would be appreciated. The thing I am unsure of is if you can sleep up there, how much space there is and is it easy to set up. I thought that the front section of it, if boards were to span the roof area could be left set up as a bed permanently and the rear section left open to gain rear section, seating area head height. Mind you the kids only need about 1.5 metres in length to sleep comfortably, not sure on width though for two of them, side by side.

I am pretty handy with building and tools, have done a bit of building around home and am technically minded. Building myself would be a great little project I think, but I am just looking for the information to get started, to make the right choices.


Thanks in advance.

James
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 20:41

Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 20:41
James.
The Hiace is to small for 4 people, are also dangerous because any hiace you could get for $10k would not have a crash rating. If you can stretch to $15k you can get a Mercedes sprinter ex ambulance, a lot more room and 5 star crash rating. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:19

Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:19
Thanks Eric. I was trying to keep the cost below 10k. I looked at the sprinter they look rather large. By 4 people I mean 2 adults and one child travelling and additional child is friends child. In other words they might both want to stay together. You know how kids are with friends. They only need some 1500 length of bed space.

Also remember that the van is only for short camps, ie not a full on camper for long trips and sty overs or travelling around Australia.

Though I am hearing you about the safety. Is there a reason they are so unsafe? Is there a better alternative safety wise without going to a monstrous van?

Is there a way to improve the safety of the hilux?

Thanks for your reply

James
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience - Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:42

Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:42
James.
The early Hiace only has one sheet of very thin steel between you and the object you hit. You can put a bull bar on it but there is nothing to bolt it too. If the sprinter is to big there is the VW transporter also a lot safer. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:55

Tuesday, Dec 06, 2011 at 21:55
Yes I am just looking at the T4. One of those in a LWB with perhaps a high roof. Not easy to find internal dimensions on them though.

Do you have any info on internal dims on the T4 LWB?

Thanks

James
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Reply By: SCUBADOO - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:33

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:33
Hi James

FWIW

I own here in NZ a Hiace 1996 extra long wheel base, hi-top diesel 4WD 3L turbo van.
Purchased four years ago at 120000km for NZ$9000.

Empty shell and converted by me for about $2000 and a couple of weekends work. It is my forth conversion over perhaps 25 years.
Direct access to front driving seats.

L shaped lounge/double bed at rear. 100mm foam. Seating for six in rear.
Under bed rear accessible storage for tools, chairs, table etc.
70l fresh water tank with battery powered pump and tap.
Overhead locker storage for plates, glasses etc.
220AH gel batteries. 500W PSW inverter. VS relay.
Fridge - 230VAC 70l converted freezer (another story one day).
22" TV, terrestial and satellite. media player, remote controlled radio etc.
12" hp notebook up front running OziExplorer for navigation etc.
2 burner cooker and griller.
Fluro and LED lighting.
Portaloo.
Felt lined ceiling.

There is PLENTY of storage - under bed - pillows, sheets, duvet (doona?), TV , sliding doors on cupboards.

Total bench space - 92 x 60cm + 135 x 35cm.

Perfect for two - any extra would be a crowd (-:

A quick check of the rear dimensions this morning (remember there a lots of curves):
Length - 3.26m
Width - 1.54m
Height - 1.62m

My wife can stand without shoes - just.
I have to stoop a little (5"11") - but we mostly (entirely) sit anyway.

We free camp perhaps 90%.

Go for it!

Neville



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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:46

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:46
Thanks Scubadoo, lots of great info there.

You say a squash with more than 2 people??? With the hi-top, cant you sleep someone up top in the hi-top, over the forward cabin of the van??

I am not overly concerned about, stooping to walk through, as like you said 95% of time in the van will be to sit down at table or sleep, either in queen size bed converted seat/table area at rear for my wife and I and bed in hi-top for kids.

As long as we can sit on seats at rear, which I was thinking to build 450 height, 450 wide either side, over wheel arches with removable swivel table in middle. As long as our heads do not hit the roof!

Cheers

And thanks for the info, sounds like you must have the Hiace builds down-pat after building a few now!

James
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 17:17

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 17:17
Hey Scubadoo

Is that 1.62 Height including the hi-top??

Thanks

James
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Follow Up By: SCUBADOO - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 19:22

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 19:22
Yes.

Standard van metal hi top roof. My carpeted floor to the high point of the roof.
This height is more or less flat(ish) for about 95cm in width before curving away.

Similar to this:
Hitop Hiace van



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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 19:32

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 19:32
Ah OK thanks.

I have another problem just to add to the whole process. I want to keep the van in my garage however my garage has only 2150 clearance for height. So now any hi-top is going to be an issue and a standard hiace is not going to have enough height to really make seats worth while.

Perhaps I should be looking at going back to my original plan of just using the van for sleeping and storage and set it up really well for that and allow for seating and table to be set up under an awning outside the van.

Or other option is a pop top I guess, but not sure if you can sleep people in them...

Cheers

James
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 08:04

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 08:04
Mum bought a 90 Hiace form Safari campers in Adelaide and this had a double bed side ways over the cab area (loved it but that was the only thing we liked about it just to small) The other thing it had was seat belts in the van area engineered for the safety of passengers, but they were not comfy seats at all.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 08:14

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 08:14
Why stick to Hiace? Open up to all possibilities. Maybe a Transit Van?

Here is and ebay start to Hiace search:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyota-Hiace-Campervan-/200685106146?pt=AU_Caravans_RVs&hash=item2eb9c3b3e2

Maybe you should value the time you are likely to put into bulding one from scratch. Even though it's a 'project', your time and materials ares still a big drain. If you pick up a second hand camper it is a great base to start from. You will no doubt have to customize it to suit anyway.

Another thing to consider is fuel consumption. That will likely be one of the biggest costs in the long run. Perhaps put diesel or Lpg as a priority.

Best of luck.
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:41

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:41
Thanks guys

Thanks for the Hiace dimensions. It is still a contender, I am just a little concerner about the safety now, will look into this some more.

From what I understand the roof are in a high top has forward type sleeping are that can be used for the kids or kid to sleep comfortably, over the front cabin are without really encroaching on the head height of the rear of the van.

I don't really want to get a monstrous bus style camper, so around 5 metres total length is about my limit.

I have just been looking at the Transit also. I am going to take my time with research on the different options. I understand the Hiace is small but we really only need to sit in it in bad weather conditions and sleep in it for a night or two at the most. We dont really travel very far to camp. mostly just weekenders within 100-150 km of our home. As long as the beds are comfortable.

There are a few 99-00 models around for around AUD$5-6k in the LWB MID height on carsales I have noticed.

Does anyone own one of these and have the internal dimensions for one of these?? They also seem to have a step in the floor of the cargo area towards the front, I guess this could be dealt with ok.

As for fuel consumption, I am not overly concerned as like I said earlier, we don't really travel that far, so even if it cost us $40 in fuel to travel to a camp site, this is no issue, and I would not be in a hurry to get there either...leisure time!!

Thanks

James
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:44

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:44
Wow.... it costs me $40 to drive to work on many days.
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:56

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 16:56
How far do you live from work though Royce? And is it crusing or all in traffic?

What do you drive and drive like??

Anyhow - Even if it costs me $80 to get to a camp site and back, this is not a probalem, we dont go camping every weekend, just every now and again!

James
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 18:12

Wednesday, Dec 07, 2011 at 18:12
Aha.... I can drive up to 1000ks [2000 return] to get to work some days! see www.funshow.com.au. Meanwhile local distances usually are between 30 and 80k one way.

I often live out of my Transit van for a few weeks.
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Reply By: Hiacer - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 22:51

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 22:51
Have done some more research. Think aim going to purchase a LWB van, also considering LWB roof transit, t4 and hiace now.

Then will be to get pop top conversion done.

Anyone know of any good pt conversion places in vicinity of Illawarra or Sydney, nsw? Any idea on prices for typical pt with canvas on a hiace, t4 or transit.

This should give me around the 2 metres for head height and allow kids to sleep upstairs.

I have done a number of layouts and elevations in cad now and think I have a winning layout which consists of sleeping for 4 people, including 2 kids up top and a sit down dining area along with lots of storage.

I figure I can find a van for around the 5 k mark and go from there. I was thinking pop top would maybe be 5k more, will check out. If so or mor may be worth buying completed van and renovate it to my specs.


Still early days but at least pop top sorts sleeping issue and clearance for garage.

Cheers

James
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Follow Up By: Hiacer - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:47

Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:47
Update!

So it looks like a pop top is definitely the way to go.

I am going to try and find a second hand camper with a pop-top and if need I can have the canvas on the pop-top replaced for around $1000. This is a lot cheaper than buying a van and installing a pop-top for some $6000 additional.

As I need to park the camper in the garage, due to limited yard space and not wanting the yard to look like a parking lot, I have a few options in T4, Hiace and even the Ford Transit.

A LWB in a low roof if the only option I am looking at and it is a pity my garage does not have a higher ceiling otherwise I could buy a mid or high roof version of one of these and be done with the issue of pop-top space and upper level sleeping!

My preference however is the HIace so far as they are cheap and have three seats up front, which is a necessity at minimum.

So I have a planned arrangement of seating area for about 4 people with a table at front and a dedicated double bed area at the rear. Overhead in the pop-top will be bead boards with a foam mattress for kids to sleep overhead.

Also been looking into battery requirements (220 Ah deep cycle) and my electricals, water pump, lighting (inside and out LED style), LED TV and an inverter, charging set up. Have found some good 24" LEDs around and they are quite light and don't draw a lot of power. LIghts are all going to be small single or cluster LEDs which draw very little - the type used on boats and I will use many small ones instead of fewer larger ones, so I get better light distribution and light where we will need it, including a couple of 15W outdoor flood lights for under the awning. Have calculated my power demand and device hours run per hour per day and the 220 Ah will give me a few days away quite easily.

Not going to bother with a fridge as for the amount of use an in built esky with some ice blocks will be far more effective, efficient and cost a lot less to buy and run.

Going to set up a roll up awning, like a Fiama, probably 2.5-3.0 metres extension as this is where we will spend most of out time when we are not sleeping, we will cook under it and eat there, enjoy a beer etc.

Soooooo..... this is my plan so far and the next step is going to be to find a decent, reliable van (probably a mid to late 90's Hiace or similar LWB) with a pop-top. I then plan to gut the van, depending on its current set-up, clean it up, remove any rust (if any), rust proof all internal panels, insulate, reline and go from there.

Hopefully I can find a good van for under 10k...

On the look out!

Merry Christmas to all!

James









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