tyre pressure

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Any advice on tyre presuures in sand when towing a 4x4 camper trailer.
Should there be a slight differance between the 4x4 and the trailer - I have been told 20% less on the 4x4
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 14:30

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 14:30
Same all round, vehicle and trailer. Nominally 18psi. Go lower if you need to.

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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 14:43

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 14:43
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We do desert sand driving, and I run 12psi front, 15 rear, and 12 on the camper.
Ran the same pressures off road driving almost everywhere else

But it really works on footprint, ie..... The Nth/Sth length of the thread on the road, and not the east/west ballooning.
This is easily checked in your driveway, with 2 sticks and a tape measure.
Get it right ie.....the same footprint on all 6 tyres and it's simply amazing.
You will actually feel the vehicle lift out of the sand, and everything is easy.

Speed is the next thing to watch....
Keep it to below 40 km/hr at those pressures, and everything is safe.

Beach sand driving, I am not too sure of, but those figures are good for all my driving.
I once chatted to a bloke, in Alice Springs, who grew up near Stockton Beach ,and the mighty dunes around there,
And they used to run 15 psi

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Follow Up By: brucehornet - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 17:12

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 17:12
this is great advice i go 18 all round but will give this a go next time it makes good sense. thanks Bruce.
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Reply By: RobAck - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:11

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:11
Depends on what you mean by sand and equally tyre pressures and tyre capability comes into the equation as well. By this I mean an LT rated tyre >116 load rating will handle lower pressures better than an AT will due to the increased side wall stiffness amongst other things

So for a rule of thumb if we run 16 psi in the Prado we will run 12 psi in the Ultimate. This works everywhere including; Simpson Desert and Hay River, Googs Track and the dunes of the Limestone Coast and Eyre Peninsula

We have a tyre pressure monitoring system in Prado and Ulti to keep a close eye on temperatures as well as pressures

As per other comments speed is the relative matter and at the pressures we have indicated we are going no faster than 60 kph

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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:31

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:31
G'day, may I ask what sort of pressure monitoring system you use please?
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Follow Up By: RobAck - Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:42

Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 at 18:42
We use the Sensa Tyre 14 unit system. Accurate, robust but you need to make sure the people who fit it set it up correctly and show you how to adjust the system and alarms as you will need to do this (same with all TPMS) each time you adjust pressures. This one has a second antenna which is fitted in the rear of the 4WD to pickup the sensors on the camper trailer.

They are expensive but about the same as everything else but we consider it the best in our experience as if a sensor fails then you have to have the exact one. For example if a LHF fails you can only replace it with a LHF if you have a Tyre Dog for example

We also use the Schraeder Air Aware system on our second set of rims and tyres when not towing. You see we run Goodyear MTR with Kevlar when touring and Bridgestone D694 LT when not touring so have two sets of rims and tyres to deal with

Apart from that we have beaten the living daylights out of both systems and never found them wanting

I hope that helps

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 07:46

Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 07:46
Rob

A tyre engineer from Bridgestone told me that LT tyres WON'T handle low pressures better than passenger construction tyres due to the thick walls. LT tyres need to run at higher pressures, about 6psi from memory, you can actually see that from their website.
This is due to the thicker walls being more susceptible to heat build up, they can't dissapate the heat as well. I think I kept his e mail somewhere if you need it, you can MM me. I run D694 LT as well.
Needless to say if you control your speed as you obviously do, you won't have these heat build up problems.
On my one trip to Fraser Island, from vehicle behaviour on the main beach "road" I thought 60km/hr was a minimum speed, I wouldn't want to be at 16psi at > 60km/hr for too long.

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Follow Up By: RobAck - Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 17:37

Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 17:37
Mark I actually work with the Bridgestone tyre engineers on 4WD durability testing as well as with Goodyear and a couple of others. With respect and based on an average of 15,000km off bitumen every year running training and tours and based on two years of durability testing of the D694 LT and AT I disagree. We collect a huge amount of data during testing including pressure and more importantly temperature. In doing that we use a laser pyrometer to check each tyre at 9 different spots every time as well as recording pressure. Our TPMS is calibrated against the pyrometer for benchmarking and to ensure consistency in all measurements

Keep in mind we are talking relatively short distances up to 100 or so km per day in the Simpson and similiar. At Beachport the runs are around 30km or so. I have never had a problem with our tyres or any client tyres (all makes and models including HT) in this sort of going

The great advantage is the LT's can handle the weight, slow speeds and constant pounding experienced in places like the Simpson quite easily. But an AT in the right hands will do pretty much the same but has a higher risk of puncture and rolling off a rim simply due to the softer sidewall. But there is still no such thing as a puncture proof tyre

For the record our D694LT are run at 34 psi when lightly loaded and when heavy and towing we go up to 38 psi in the rears. The MTR with Kevlar are run at 32 psi when light and 34 and 38 when loaded. Ulti is no more than 32psi when loaded and is fitted with MTR with Kevlar

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 20:18

Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 20:18
Rob
Just repeating what the tyre company engineer e mailed me, I quoted the source.
Glad to send it to you if you MM me.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 08:05

Friday, Dec 09, 2011 at 08:05
Bucky has covered it well. Tyre footprint is the key concern. Typically on soft sand we run at about half highway pressure.

The issue of speed v's tyre pressure is very important and discussed in detail by member Rob D in his article Are you operating your tyres beyond their design limit.Well worth a read.

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John
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