Unknown Light
Submitted: Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:23
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Member - Doug T (NT)
No not UFO, I had a set of photo's sent to me yesterday , the sender wanted to know if I knew what it could have been used for/on, I thought maybe some of you might know, is it Marine, Railways, Road vehicle, or Air.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:41
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:41
If the light shows a green light, I'd be pretty confodent that it is a starboard light off a medium sized boat of some age.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:50
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:50
The lens is BLUE.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:55
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:55
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Reply By: Rockape - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:57
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 09:57
Doug,
I don't believe it is a nav light of a boat as the angle of emitted light is too small for a port or starboard light.
Maybe a stern light but the blue lens throws that out the window.
Have a good one,
RA.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:20
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:20
Doug,
after a bit of looking around I discovered this. The lights are used in the Panama canal
Blue Panama canal light
Maybe this is what it was used for in an old craft.
RA.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:08
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:08
While the lense may appear blue it may infact show a "green" light.
As fas as the angle...note that there are no shutters so the angle of the mask will be considerably narrower than the pattern of light shown.
It may also be some sort of air field guide lamp.
Of course on a totally different tack it could be a blue working lamp........in theater we use blue working lamps behind curtain and in back stage areas because they do not show thru cranks and under the curtain, but still allow enough light to work.
this may have been used in military context, the blue showing on an work or access area and the mask stopping the direct light from being seen.
What voltage is the lamp?
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:19
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:19
It clearly looks old and the cotton insulation on the bit of wire does support it as an old instillation.
The blue lens light where commonly used as starboard running lights in the older days around WW2 but now it is more common to use green lens today. There where early blue lights used as convoy tail lights but usually a larger one was needed than the one shown here.
The blue light is the most visible light in
water so that might be a reason for using this colour lens at sea.
Another use of blue light is for depression therapy as it has been documented that humans respond in a positive manner to the blue light of the sky. For people living in colder climates where in winter they may not see the sky for months at a time there is such thing as light box therapy using blue lights for 30mins in the morning to counter the effects of depression. I don't think this light would be for that.
It would be interesting to test the voltage of the lens as it might indicate where it was used. My assumption would be a marine installation as a starboard running light.
Cheers
Serendipity
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:36
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:36
Doug, from the appearance of the rugged waterproof housing I would expect it to be a maritime light. It also looks to be of brass or bronze which would support that theory.
Although the lens appears blue in the light viewed, the yellowish light of the incandescent lamp would produce a rather green light output.
The opening and the lamp position would create approximately 180 degree beam.
My guess is a ship's starboard navigation lamp. I would also guess that the lamp filament is 110 volts or thereabouts.
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Follow Up By: Keir & Marg - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:23
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:23
My guess would be a stbd nav light, which should have an arc of visibility of 112.5 degrees, as per the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
With regard to the blue lens, I have an all-round fishing light which runs on kero. It is supposed to show green, but has a blue lens. However with the yellow kero light inside, the combined effect gives out a green light.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:39
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:39
Here's and update on info I have .
They are 24 volt, one bulb is marked as VR with the government arrow between the v & the R . They are solid brass and the only writing is stamped on the bulb holder ?made in England.
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Reply By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:28
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:28
Hi Doug.
Here is another answer. Re Navigation Lights.
"Blue" navigation light ?
Blue light,particularly a dark blue light, was used to indicate when the owner was aboard his yacht.
Cheers Steve.B...
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Reply By: menace- Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:42
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:42
I think it is quite possible that it is from the railways...they did use this type of light to indicate go or stop on the side of the lines.or up on the posts..they also needed to be waterproof....The VR may refer to Victorian railways...which in the era that it seems to have come from the rail was wholly government run and they also used a different voltage...just my thought on it...either way I would like to have it and fix it up
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Follow Up By: menace- Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:45
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:45
they also looked blue when not lit
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Reply By: Bill BD - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 18:35
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 18:35
I am pretty sure the arrow denotes military issue equipment in both UK and Aus. So, in a military context what would VR denote? Victoria Regina if its really old.... which makes it pre 1901 military. I am not so sure that's right but I am 95% it is a military item. If you can establish it is old military it is highly collectible.
The way the lens does not have any real
water proofing makes me think it is probably more likely rail related than marine - are there scraps of paint anywhere on it? Railway workshops tend to paint everything.
Also, it appears by the large thread on its base that it screw mounts into a flat plate (roof or floor?). Would it be common to screw brass into steel in a marine situation? I suspect not and if it was it would show some corrosion. If a wooden boat I suppose there could have been a brass mounting set into the wood.
I am just thinking like a detective. I don't know. Wish it was
mine though.
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Reply By: Bill BD - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 18:47
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 18:47
Does this ebay item show a similar stamp?
VR checkpiece
I also found a description of a 19th century naval service pistol that had VR and an arrow stamped on it (amongst other things).
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Reply By: white pointer - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 19:01
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 19:01
looks like it could be from a shore based navigation lead light.
there are 2 of them on poles set one in front of the other so at night when they are in transit you are in the centre of
the entrance to a harbour or channel. coloured blue so not to be confused with port or starboard beacons
regs. phil
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Reply By: david m5 - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 20:57
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 20:57
Have you measured the arc of light and is it 112.5 deg
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Follow Up By: Collecta - Monday, Dec 12, 2011 at 15:19
Monday, Dec 12, 2011 at 15:19
The angle in degrees for the blue lens light is approximately 120 and the other light that contains the bulb with the arrow between the V&R is approx. 220. There is a bracket at the back which can not be clearly seen, it slides onto a support bracket. Yes the lights are
mine and I will post further pics a little later. My trusty digital camera decided to give up the ghost. The paint on these lights is an olive drab military colour. They are solid brass and look to be old. The heavy cable was cut off, it has an outer shielding of metal mesh and the bulbs are 24 volt. My first thoughts were to a military marine application until I discovered the VR bulb. These lights did have weather proof seals, that have deteriorated over the years. Thanks you for your help, looking forward to discovering their intended application.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:26
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:26
A lot of questions being asked , and that's good and I thank you all for your suggestions, I wish I knew the answers to your questions but please remember my original post, all I have is photo's sent by a person that's like the rest of us, he don't know either, it's not in my hands, just photo's .
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Follow Up By: lancie49 - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:56
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:56
Doug, would you mind if if posted those pics on another
forum I'm involved in ?
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Follow Up By: lancie49 - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:57
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 21:57
Doug, would you mind if if posted those pics on another
forum I'm involved in ?
lance
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 22:05
Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 at 22:05
No not at all, go for it, if you want the full size pics then email me.
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