Diesel Chips

Mal,

You should really be considering adding the cip as one part of a suite of modifications to up performance. Your first consideration should be a superior exhaust system such as a 3” mandrell bent system. Most fuel chips work by simply dumping more fuel into the engine. This can have some pretty negative side effects. Firstly, an increase in exhaust gasses needs to be able to escape so if they can’t, the benefit of the chip is outweighed. Both extra fuel and a build-up of exhaust gasses will cause extra heat build up in the motor, particularly when towing and under load. This can cause them to go BANG in a big way so I’d also recommend having an EGT gauge fitted at the same time. Not essential but could be an engine saver by letting you know what’s going on inside the motor temperature wise.

I’m against the standard plug and play type fuel pulse and control type chips. I’ve had the DP in my Nissan Patrol and yes, it gave improvement but it also went bang (No EGT gauge). I’d prefer an integrated system that adjusts the tuning of your vehicle to suit the chip. A few hours on the dyno will ensure that the chip is tuned perfectly with the vehicles tuning and fuel systems and this will help prevent over fuelling, excessive temperatures and the “BANG”. I wrote up the results on chipping my Toyota V8T/D and I found the improvements in power to be very impressive. The write-up is HERE - UTE PERFORMANCE

There was also a very good article/compare in respect to chips in a more recent 4x4Action magazine. I’ve done a bit of a search on the 4x4A site but can’t find the reference. Someone else on the EO site will know it and may post up the Volume Number. A lot to consider and fortunately there are a lot more on the forum more knowledgeable than myself.

Cheers Mick

We've got a DP in one Prado and a Steinbauer in the other one and I reckon the Steinbauer is the better one. Our engineers advice, yes I have one in my company who knows this stuff, is that the Steinbauer deals with the electrickery better than the DP does as the latter only adjusts fuel and the former works smarter. Driving both vehicles back to back shows benefits in both vehicles.

One thing we did like about the Steinbauer was that the performance gain does not need the added cost of a larger exhaust. As well we have seen marked improvements in fuel consumption and driveability including when towing our Ultimate

Yes I do agree this arena is very confusing. Just remember that when you walk in to a showroom they are in sales mode regardless of good intentions

All the best with the search

Regards

Rob

Hi Mal

I think (stand to be corrected) the 'can has a nice stainless steel exhaust system so try these ideas first.
The simplest modifications are:
- remove the muffler...very little change in noise levels
- remove the plastic engine shroud and add a 10" Davies-Craig slimline fan to the intercooler...good for low speed power increase
- add a "power box"...most are pretty good, Chip It"n" Go and DP Chip. Steinbauer probably better. For the cheaper variety ($150) which only increase the rail pressure...keep these wound back a bit...still effective...just not as much
- a snorkel helps with cleaner and cooler air
- go here and look and ask under the Terracan sub-forum.

Cheers
Brad

Hi,
I sent a note to Chipit asking about their chip after reading this thread and got a very extensive reply which they asked me to upload. I have no affiliation with them but have been looking in to getting a chip one day i am posting it as it contains a lot of useful info if you are looking for a chip, hopefully others see it that way. I don't know much about them so hopefully this will give you some ideas.

There are also quite a few attachments which i will load up in a subsequent thread.
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The following is from Chipit


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Diesel Performance Solutions

Power when you need it





The Chip It Performance Module Kit is DIY (plug in and drive away) and comes with full instructions on a little thumb drive provided. Installation is therefore easy. Fuel economy is usually increase by around 7 % depending on how you drive. I (director of Chip It) personally get 5% better economy however I do drive harder than most. Some of our customers do not get any fuel saving however their module is probably tuned with higher power tunes and they are more than happy with that.



Attached are some dyno results of different vehicles to show what power we get up to. On your vehicle you will get around 30% more torque from our standard tune. ( next thread Richard)



I should point out the many differences between the Chip It Module and our competitors.



On the newer Common Rail engine, the Chip It Module will connect to 2 sensors in your existing factory plugs One is the Fuel Pressure Sensor (which the other Chip Manufacturer also do) ... the other one is to the Turbo Boost Sensor (which is UNIQUE to Chip It). This second plug connection allows us to control turbo boost as well.

This gives us fuel AND air maps to adjust to get the best air/fuel ratios … which equals better tunes. It also means we are not just dumping a lot of extra fuel in like others. By adjusting both the fuel and the turbo pressure it means we also achieve less exhaust gas temperatures and less black smoke due to over fuelling!



If you are purchasing our EGT Controlled Performance Module then this would be the 3rd sensor we are plugging into. (2nd sensor for pre common rail vehicles).



This engine safety feature (again unique to Chip It), is explained in the 4WD Action Magazine Product Review.pdf (attached) and also further down in this email.



A little information on our competitors.

This bit removed by Richard. I will send it to you if you want.



Our Performance Modules are digitally tuned via a laptop computer which means each cell (or load point) is adjusted to suit the right fuel amount needed for YOUR family of engine and we develop ALL tunes directly on our own in-house dyno. If we need to add a good amount of fuel in the mid-range and only a little amount at the top end ... we can. Again, other chips cannot as a variable resistor will add fuel EVERYWHERE by the same percentage.



This professional tuning ability of our Performance Module allows us to better tune your engine and provide higher torque numbers safely.



These are the benefits we have in our favour:



1) More features, including Exhaust Gas Temp monitoring and control, (this feature de-tunes the engine when EGTs get too high)

2) Better tunes … (not only do we address the Fuel curve, but we also address Turbo Boost Curve (on Common Rail vehicles),

3) Aussie made product, (no other chip sold in Australia is made in Australia)

4) Tuned for Aussie cars with Aussie fuels,

5) Tuned by us with our own in-house dyno... no overseas tunes or non Aussie speaking 3rd party involved,

6) Australian Based Tech Support,

7) Better prices and much better value for money (prices start at $999.00 for NON EGT Controlled power Modules),

8) 30 days money back guarantee,

9) 5 Years warranty,

10) New Vehicle Engine Warranty Option,

11) Custom Tuning (if desired) ... which again, other manufacturers do not have.



Let me expand on point No. 11. As mentioned, our Modules are fully plug in and drive away with no extra tuning required. However, when you wish to have a full custom tune our Module allows this. With all the other Chips on the market, you just turn the knob on the front panel to increase the resistance value. This then is NOT a “custom tune” to suit your vehicle as changes are NOT made to suit your individual engine’s needs. This is NOT so with the Chip It Module. Real-time tuning capabilities are given to every Chip It Custom Tune Dealer and adjustments to tunes can be provided via email to you the customer … for free and the Chip It Macro Tuning Software allows YOU to flash the tunes to the Module within seconds.



The EGT Controlled Module allow you to run high performance tunes without risk of damage to the engine because the in-cabin display (and data logger) keeps the performance tune in-place ONLY whilst EGTs are at safe levels. It will change to factory standard tune IF the EGT's climb too high. Again, this is unique feature to Chip it.



This feature is highly recommended to those customers that are using their vehicle for towing caravans, boats or other heavy equipment.



We also have 5 years warranty and 30 day money back guarantee.



Check out this video of our Chip.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSgQp9-TiLU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL



Considering the above, you can see that we provide really good value for money and why we are gaining a lot of customers from those who thought that DP Chip etc were the only performance chips on the block.







About engine warranty. Click on this link and go down to the bottom where it talks about the Australian_Automotive_Aftermarket_Association.pdf another link shows the Warranty laws in Australia.

http://www.chipit.com.au/product-info



The first paragraph of page 9 (in that link) explains that Dealers/Manufacturers CANNOT void Statutory Warranty simply from customers fitting aftermarket parts. BTW, I have a NS Pajero and had our Performance Module fitted for the last 40,000kms. No problems and Dealers have seen it. However, I ALWAYS recommend people REMOVE the Module (5 mins work) before going back to the Dealer for any warranty work. For normal service work, find a good local mechanic with whom you can start a good relationship with. He will take care of the vehicle better than the Dealer anyway.



Sincerely,


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Phew, lots to contemplate ! I really appreciate all the comments to my initial enquiry. Thanks to all and mMerry Xmas, Regards
Old Mal (older but wiser now)