Engel fridge socket

I have seen a lot of stories on here about what sort of socket to use for your engel fridge when an engel plug is the most obvious choice after unscrewing and removing the standard cigarette plug from the supplied engel 12 volt cord you will see a plug that has 2 pins and a keyway to prevent the polarity from being reversed this fits into an engel socket and screws on so it cant come out.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:22

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:22
Swaggy,

Forget the 2 pin plug/socket that is in-line on the Engel lead.

Cut or remove the cigarette style plug on the end of the lead and replace it with a Merit/Hella style plug. This plug has a red ferrule that is removable.
With the ferrule on, the plug fits into a standard cigarette socket, if that is all that is available, (ie, another vehicle) but with the ferrule removed, it will fit into the merit socket which is almost a defacto standard for lower amperage 12 volt circuits. The plug will "lock" into the socket and won't vibrate out when travelling, even over corrugated surfaces.

I have standardised all my 12 volt low current equipment to the merit/hella plug.
The battery packs I connect the equipment to all have corresponding merit sockets.

For higher current devices, (ie, over 10 amps) I use 50, or 150 amp Anderson connectors.


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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:46

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:46
Hi Bill,

Sorry mate but I gotta disagree :(

I have the Engel plug, the Merrit plug and the normal cig style for my different items all installed in the back of my 200.

The Engel plug is by far and away the best, it cannot come lose as it is screwed. And if by chance you need to use the Engels in another vehicle, you can put the adaptor back on and use it in a cig socket.

The merrit plug is good, but it is still only a clip that retains the plug, over time the retainer clips loosen and it can work itself out. Its much better than a cig plug, but not up to the Engels plug IMHO as it relies on spring tension and not a screwed connection for positive locking.

The cig plug is basically only reliable while staionary, get any corrugations and it can work its way out. Most tme it stays in, but I would never want to rely on it.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Swaggy1963 - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:55

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:55
Bill
It wont come out of a engel socket either because it is screwed onto the socket why would you cut something of that is better than the merit socket anyway.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 22:26

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 22:26
i AGREE cut it off and use something decent. i wasted $40 or so on the female end of the engal socket and mounting it

damn thing never worked properly and it wasnt unusual to go on a 4 hout drive pull up and find the fridge hadnt been working until i gave it a jiggle. i mucked about with it for ages first determining it was something to do with the contacts within the plug not the fitting. i tried all sorts of mods bending this and that trying to make a better contact but nothing worked.

I cut the plug off and hardwired it in. problem solved
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Follow Up By: Member - Vern - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 23:33

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 23:33
USE THE ENGEL PLUG.

The Engel plug was designed to be used and supply the best performance and not to be cut off and substituted with a inferior product.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:51

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:51
see my post it didnt work-you dont get any more inferior than that
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 07:47

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 07:47
An Engel socket is only suitable for an Engel plug (Duh!) and therefore you need to install one just for the fridge.

My fridge with the Merit plug on the end of the cable plugs into my Flyer, Thumper or one one of the Merit/Hella sockets on the camper.
In all my years of travel I have never had problems with this type of connection and thus have standardised all my devices with the Merit/Hella plug/socket.
Whether I connect the fridge, fluros, or anything else I have, it will plug into one of the ports on the Thumper, or Flyer battery packs, either with or without the red collar. The thumper has multiple Hella and cigarette sockets, so I can plug in the fridge, fluros, solar panel, regardless of what port is available. A very sound and flexible solution.

Each to his own hey!

If I happen across an Engel socket I can unscrew the in-line connection on the cable, but this would be unlikely as no one I know has an Engel socket installed. Actually, come to think of it I do use this connection. When the cable is plugged into the Flyer battery pack and the tub is loaded up with camping gear, etc., it is convenient to unscrew the connection to pass one end through the roof canopy supports, then screw up again.
This keeps my fridge lead suspended and allows foul free operation of the fridge slide:-)



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Reply By: rumpig - Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 22:35

Wednesday, Dec 14, 2011 at 22:35
i've had an Engel plug in the back of my fourby since 2006, vehicle has been to The Cape, across The Simpson and up through The Gulf to Darwin and back to Brisbane in that time frame across alot of corrogations, the plug has never stopped working ever!!!!.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:19

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:19
Swaggy1963

Get the Engle Plug, Mate !

Never comes out, screwed in, and very near


Cheers
Bucky.
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Follow Up By: Swaggy1963 - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:35

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:35
The engel plug is what i have and it works like a gem
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Reply By: MartyB - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:01

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:01
I use an engel socket in the back of the vehicle, never had a problem with it.
I also bought a couple of engle extension leads, one of which I cut in half and put an andersion plug onto each bare end. I use half an extension lead pluged into an anderson plug on my camper to run the engel when camping. This gives me plenty of options for powering the fridge.

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Reply By: Steve63 - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:33

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:33
I have two fridges in my camper. I am a Merrit plug fan and always replace the cig lighter plugs. I originally used Merrit plugs for the fridges. After one trip they started to regularly work loose. I changed them to the Engel plugs and they have been fine ever since (we are talking over 60,000km of dirt roads).

You do loose flexability if you replace a socket so I added two Engel specific sockets in the camper.

I have used both and in my opinion the Engel plugs are the way to go. They also ensure the fridge is correctly fused.

Steve
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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:53

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:53
Lost of people may be having problems with the merit plugs, because they are using the cheaper ones with the red ring ciggy adaptor on them.

They are generaly a pain to terminate, have a pissy little fuse with poor contacts in them and the whole plug is cheap, dont stay in properly and is not capable of the full 15 amps the merit socket is spec'ed to.

Cheap sockets may be an issue too.

If you get one of the better merit sockets it can not be adapted to a ciggy socket and it will have a full metal ring for the earth connection that has a retaining grove on it which clicks into the socket in addition to the centre pin.

There is a world of difference between these two sockets.

Lots of people use 50 amp andersons for their fridges....yeh not keen.....but they are reliable if you terminate them properly.

Possibly THE best plug for a fridge is the old "T" plug, made by clipsal or HPM.

They are like the 240Volt plug and socket you use at home but they are 2 pins attanged in a "T".
Remember they used to be on the benches in most school science labs for the DC supply.

they are, easy to terminate durable, hold the full 15 amps continuoulsy, don't fall out and can be had at any electrical wholesaler.

cheers
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:56

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:56
Sorry cant edit on this forum.
should have used the word plug in a couple of places above.

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 17:17

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 17:17
Hi Bantam,

The T plug is good, but again its only spring tension that retains it in. I had these in my Camprite and while they never came out, I have had one half-way out after a corrugated gravel road.

Also, the convention for +ve and - ve seems to change depending on who wires it up. When using polarity sensitive equipment I would suggest one checks polarity before plugging in for the first time on a T plug. Its OK on your own vehicle but can be a trap when swapping around.

Lots of people have lots of different experiences but overall the Engel plug is hard to beat (for an Engel fridge!) IMHO. Merit is arguably the best generic plug and is what I use for different items if they need to be connected when driving.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:08

Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:08
The thing I have agains the engel plug is that it is brand specific...and I'm one for standardisation.
Appart from the fact that you cant just go an get an engel plug anywhere.

There are heaps of different plugs, some of them locking that could be used in this application.

Hell even the old faithfull XLR microphone plug would do a great job.

But Ive gone with merits, because of the standardisation and because I don't have an engel at the moment.

OF course, you can do as many do and hard wire the lead in, and have another lead for other purposes.

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:18

Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:18
So agree about standardisation. In the rear of my 200 I have 2 x Engel, 1 x cig and 1 x merit plugs just so I can power things up. But at least this way I have most of my bases covered. I even used to have a "T to cig" adapter but no longer have any T plugs. If only industry could get their act together....

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:25

Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:25
The industry does not want standardisation, they all want you to buy genuine accessories and inflated prices.

If they wanted standardisation there would be the same plug on the body of every fridge.

And there would be a standardised workable DC socket fitted to vehicles.

You would be able to buy a fridge cable anywhere, and it would fit all fridges and all vehicles.

But it isn't so.

We are stuck with cigarette lighter sockets that were never designed to do what we ask of them.

The merit socket is tryng to fix things up, but the whole automotive DC market is cheap and nasty and the merit socket is about as good as it gets.....even then almost no one fits them OEM, and there are heaps of cheap below spec ones out there.

In the professional audio industry, it took us 20 yaers to get a common microphone plug and another 30 years to sort out the standard to wire the things and 40 years for a workable speaker plug to come along, and that is in an industry with standards and a daily need for compatability.


Hell its only in the last 10 years the the IEC appliance plug has replaced all sorts of weirdo jug plugs and rubbish on 240 volt gear

What hope do we have in the free for all world of DC electrics.

I have 2 ciggy and 2 merit sockets in the back allong with a 50 amp anderson that will deliver 50 amps.

And this is the beef I have with using andersons , if it is a 50 amp rated socket it should be capable of delivering 50 amps..so that anything with a mateing plug should be able to be plugged in and work safely and properly.

So far the decent merits seem to be working...I had trouble with the cheap ones.



cheers
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00
Engel plug, Engel plug, Engel plug--------remember that----it is all you will need!!!
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Follow Up By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 00:33

Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 00:33
hey rambler you are alive .twinny
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Reply By: Geoff H (Q - Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 13:23

Thursday, Dec 15, 2011 at 13:23
The best thing I have ever used is a 50 amp Anderson, bit of an overkill but they work
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:35

Friday, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:35
Gotta agree with you Geoff'.

I use the anderson plugs and never have a problem.

If I need to I can move one of the fridges to the annex area and plug it into the anderson plug on the tow bar when we are camped for a few days.




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