which tires?
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carps
hi guys,
I was just wondering which tires would best suit me for travelling around Australia in a 75 troopy. i will be doing alot of off the beaten track including the tele track and
gibb river road with a camper trailer on the back.
i have heard alot of different opinions and still not quite sure of the choice of a/t or muds!
cheers.
Reply By: Ray - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 08:30
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 08:30
TIRES don't you mean Tyres
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 17:08
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 17:08
Give it up Ray.... I'm a teacher and noticed of course, but compared to the extra apostrophes, brought instead of bought, ect instead of etc..... this one is worth leaving for the keeper. US spelling is the least of our spelling worries. :-]]
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Follow Up By: carps - Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:22
Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:22
Thanks Ray,
I didn't realise i was spelling it wrong. Now i know!
cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:53
Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:53
You could easily make an argument that the spelling is okay carps.
US spelling is found everywhere. Language is always changing and nowadays tires is commonly seen. It's how Cooper's spell it.
I don't like the US spelling much, but it's certainly working its way in.
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:35
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:35
AT tyre with a 4 or 5 rib tread. Mud terrains won't grip as
well on the open road. Everyone will have their own opinions on that but there has been some recent tyre tests in magazine to prove this.
Plenty to choose from so depends on your budget. Read between the lines when (not if) people respond saying that one particular tyre is crap or brilliant.
Enjoy the trip.
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Reply By: Member Andys Adventures - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:33
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:33
Hi carps, If your doing the tele track and
Gibb river road I would use Mud over AT. Saying that I only use Mud and have tried different brands, and found it's not always the better known brands that give you value for money. tyrekingonline.com will do set of 4 on most brands very cheep and are delivered to your door.
Andy
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 13:52
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 13:52
Do they fit them at your place Andy?
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member Andys Adventures - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:47
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:47
Hi Phil, No they don't come fitted, but when you can get 4 Mud Tyers (Michelin) for $500.00 you can get them fitted anywhere for $100.00, still makes them cheep. I got
mine fitted at
Cairns - Bob Jane for $100.00. Did the tele track and went back and had my Hwy tyres put back on, as I was going to do 3000 klm of black to get home. This was with a wheel alignment and they looked after my tyres for 4 weeks all for $120.00. I would go back to them next time I'm up there.
Andy
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 16:00
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 16:00
Fair enough but you never know. I thought they may have stuck around and fitted them. Just like some windscreen mobs do.
That's so cheap for a good quality tyre. I wonder if they were an "asian" copy. I put a set of Michelin tyres on the holden once and slipped all over the place in the wet and swore I would never touch them again.
Is there a reason why you do not have them on the car in the thumbnail?
I get very picky when it comes to brakes and tyres/
wheels. They are the LAST link with good old mother earth. You can smash a windscreen, blow a hole in the radiator or stuff up the GPS and its no big deal. Blow a tyre and its life threatening.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member Andys Adventures - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:20
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:20
Hi Phil, At the time of purchase I tried to get a set for the new Triton but new triton came with bigger
wheels 16" and on the old triton it had 15" Michelin don't make that size so had to go for the next best BFG, and they were hard to get as
well, went to (
Coffs Harbour Bob Jane). Tyrekingonline.com are at Ingleburn NSW and sell on ebay as
well. The tyres on the old triton are still looking good (my son has it now) and have done 45,000klm and still going.
Andy
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:27
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:27
Fair enough Andy.
You like Michelin and I prefer another brand. And I seriously do not know how many
miles either set have done.
Merry Christmas
Phil
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:50
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:50
IMHO, its your decision.
Are you willing to accept the extra noise, poor wet grip and reduced fuel economy of MT's over 15,000Kms of tar, for more grip coming out of 10-20 creeks.
If you have a camper trailer it would be foolhardy to do Gunshot and a couple of other creeks anyway, and in any case you are NOT going to be able to climb the exits of some creeks MTs or not, if you are not first there for the day, as the exits get wet and chopped up very quickly.Winching will be necessary.
My choice would be ATs . The
Gibb River Road is just a good to poor dirt road, and
creek crossings there are either short and firm, rocky or have a concrete base.
Many MTs have the same carcase as ATs, it is only the tread that is different.
As friends who live on the black soil plains of NSW say "MT's get you another 10feet" . Seeing MTs have much bigger tread voids than ATs , it may be possible that MTs are more susceptible to staking than ATs.
I recently drove to
Cape York with Bridgestone D694s AT LT towing a camper in my 92 Range Rover with no problems, and I did GRR and
Kalumburu with BFG HTs with no problem.
They should however be pretty new, LT construction, and attention paid to tyre pressures, lowering significantly for dirt and keeping speed below 80Kmh.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Joe - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:33
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:33
I'd agree with this in general, but I'd make the suggestion that the AT tyres selected should be on the MT side rather than on the HT side.
For example, the newish Cooper ST/Maxx (or something like that) is an AT tyre, but it has a more open tread patter than the Cooper ATR (which is what I am running myself) and will be a better tyre for the Cape and the
Kimberley than the ATR.
Not a muddy, just a little closer to it than many AT tyres.
Similarly, I'd suggest getting the Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 rib instead of the 5 rib - it is just a little more mud that the 5 rib.
I hope that makes sense.
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Follow Up By: Member Andys Adventures - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:29
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 19:29
Have had MT's on 2 Tritons and what noise, can't hear them. As for wet roads you drive to the conditions and found MT have good grip on the wet roads. Down side they wear out quick on bitumen.
Andy
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Reply By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:16
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 14:16
I acknowledge and agree with Philip A's comment about the AT's preferably being fairly new tyres. We just drove through a few tracks and parks in the semi wet with the AT' set on and they were having a hard time with the wet dirt and mud.
Last year we drove around
Cape York and even the muddies had trouble with the creeks. But I would not try it with AT's. Happily we had MT's on all three cars. Only got stuck once.
In planning an early trip through the Simpson and other areas I will opt for the MT's again. Less grip on the road is not a hassle as we don't travel fast. The noise is not as bad as a lot of people make out and it's only there on the bitumen and we minimise bitumen driving. You never know when you may encounter wet or muddy conditions so why not be prepared. I do not want to detour if I do not have to.
We will be leaving the AT set home and putting the MT's on the car in the future. I do have a complete second set of rims so I do not have to remove any tyre from a rim to change between AT's and the MT's.
I will not say what brand they are unless you want me to. I believe that it's a personal and pocket choice. But for my money I would put the cost down as the very last thing to consider when buying tyres. Neither do we place mileage at the top. Grip is what we want. Tyres are the last link with the road so they have to be the best that we get.
Phil
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Reply By: dazza0503 - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:11
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:11
I just finished my lap in a duel cab Triton with soft floor camper in tow. I fitted 5 new Toyo open country AT's before we left and could not fault them. 35,000 Kms maybe 15K off road including
Gibb river road and
Savannah way. No chipping they still look like new. Had older Cooper ATR'S on trailer but they had 3 punctures (nails and screws) for some reason. Just unlucky I think, all fixed with repair kit.
Enjoy your trip it was the best thing I have ever done.
Dazza
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Reply By: Geoff H (Q - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:37
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:37
We did the trip to the Cape last year with Bridgestone 693 duelers A/T which were Light Truck construction and had no problems. They were new tyres which may have helped, we also let the pressures down and lowered our speed to below 90k.
Regards
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 17:06
Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 17:06
ATs definitely!
Even if you do happen to encounter MUD... they will still do the job if you drive to conditions. In my experience a Muddy will bog you very quickly if you're not careful!
Anyway, you will be doing heaps of ks on sealed and hard surfaces. Mud tyres would be a waste on these surfaces. 95% of the time even the All Terrains are unnecessary. For that matter, two wheel drive will take you an amazing distance through the outback.
More importantly, carry good recovery gear!
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Reply By: carps - Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:25
Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 19:25
thanks for all your help guys, ive decided to bite the bullet and gunna get some pro comp extreem A/T's, they seem to be the only ones that no one can fault (
well except for the price).
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