Engine knock

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 21:19
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My Engine has developed a knock you can not here it as soon as you start up but once it gets a bit warm and it reaches 3000rpms you can here it it seems to coincide with when you accelerate, but it is not the gear box as that has recently been done and is new and been checked out. it sounds quite bad and was wondering if it could be a timing chain. or not?

If any one has had a similar problem I could do with some feed back.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 21:42

Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 21:42
Janet I'm not mechanically minded, but it would be very helpful to those that are if you give a few more details.
For example type of vehicle, model, engine size, year, km, etc.

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Reply By: Janet B - Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:04

Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:04
Sorry about that it is a 2002 Ford Explorer Limited Edition it has don 172,000km it only does about 8000 a year since I have had it and I have owned it for 5 years. I have had the gear box re built and it is going good the noise in the motor came after. When you start the motor it does not make the noise but once it has warmed up it starts it sounds louder when you excelerate and reach 300rpm. I have been told I need to have the motor taken out and am looking at big dollars.
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 00:14

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 00:14
hi
has it ever run low on engine oil while you have had it
the knock you descibe sounds like big end bearings are on the way out it may have run low on oil prior to you buying it
which could account for the bearings going at its current km's even having to have the gearbox rebuilt at that amount of km's doesnt auger well perhaps the previous owner gave it a real flogging
sorry but thats the best i can suggest without hearing it
i suggest that you should let a mechanic take it for a test drive and listen to it if it is the big end bearings it will fail in the very near future so dont expect to go anywhere during xmas except local short runs
cheers and merry xmas
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Follow Up By: ross - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 00:38

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 00:38
Get 2-3 mechanics to have a listen but let them think they are the only ones having a look and compare the results.

One symptom of worn big ends is oil pressure dropping rapidly as the engine warms up.
A mechanic can temporarily fit a pressure gauge on most engines to determine this.

It maybe more cost efficient to have a fully reconditioned engine fitted rather than have it pulled to pieces just to replace the big ends(if that is indeed the problem).
Mechanics love pulling an engine to pieces ,lots of hours and difficult to check on whats been done
The other option maybe to scrap the vehicle altogether and sell it off as it is.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:18

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:18
Ford Exploders have problems with Timing Chains.

What you have described are the symptoms.

The only way to fix this problem is to take the engine out to get to the problem.

DONT drive the vehicle as it will destroy the motor.

The cost of repairs would be more than what the vehicles worth.

Get a few quotes and compare the value of the vehicle to what the repairs are worth.

Some times in life you have to cut your losses.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:22

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:22
PS. Google 2002 Ford Explorer Problems re Engine Knocking .
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Reply By: howesy - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:33

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:33
Hmmm sounds like could even be a conrod bearing, 3000 revs is the magic number when the wear is there and fit in with being there when the oil gets a bit warmer. Cheap way with a lot of vehicles if you can is pull sump with motor still in (bit of a trick) and replace rod bearings.
There are a thousand possibilities this is just one.
get a stethescope or long bar and go around the motor and try and localise it.
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Follow Up By: Member - KozInOz - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 01:05

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 01:05
Hi, I've got a VW with a similar problem at 210,000km on the clock. The first thing I did was try using a slightly heavier oil and thickeners to see if the noise went away. I'ts still being driven by my son and has 260,000km on the clock, damn the noise.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29
Yeh sounds like ya not real familiar with engine noises.

Is it a knock or a rattle????

Being a former serial mazda owner, I have tightened my share of timing chains......and it is an issue with 4 cylinder mazda motors.....well the ones that run timing chains.

If it is similar, Its simply a matter of pulling the radiator, pulling the tapet cover and some front timing covers, cant remember if the water pump needs to be removed, removing the tensioner and adjusting the fixed runner and reinstalling the tensioner.

Mostly if this is the issue it will rattle at idle.

If it is a big end knock it should be making a racket all the time.

someone who knows what they are hearing needs to listen to it.

cheers
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:36

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:36
Oh
if it is the timing chain...the reason it gets worse when hot is...the timing chain get longer when hot and the oil gtes a bit thinner...the tensioner is both spring tensioned and oil preasure driven.

When its all near its limits it cant cope and rattles.....do the adjustment and all is good.

cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 14:44

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 14:44
With Explorers the Timing Chain is at the back of the motor.

You have to remove the motor to gain access.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 22:43

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 22:43
Trust FORD.

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Reply By: escapesilv - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 17:45

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 17:45
I had a similar problem with a Mitsubishi Triton Diesel 2.8 engine.
Got that knocking at aprox 3000 RVS, but had to keep it on the road for a couple of month more, until it went BANG.
Engine pulled out and striped, to find it had been the tensionar arm that had broken, Yes big big bucks, but worth it.

Have it looked at as soon as possible.

Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Val - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 19:53

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 19:53
If not the timing chain, given the kms, could it be piston slap?
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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 20:16

Wednesday, Dec 21, 2011 at 20:16
Hard to say without hearing it but Piston slap will reduce in intensity when the engine warms up.
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Reply By: Janet B - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 00:51

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 00:51
We had the car serviced by ford at the beginning of the year and then we had the gear box done in August of 2011 then we notice the knock and check the oil and found that it was low in all the time we have had the car it has never used oil ever and then to be low make us wonder if it was filled up but cant prove. We topped the oil up but the gauge did not show low oil and everything was running real good with the car. The first time we heard the noise it sounded very much like a tappet noise the car is not thrashed as I drive it and I do approx 8000 km per year in it. I am its second owner.
We have parked the car in the garage and not touched it for over a month since, we have been quoted 3000.00 just to pull the motor out, but are know wondering if it would be better to get a new one from the states.
The car is in mint condition.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:26

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:26
Janet, You would need to provide more information, engine type, vehicle etc, age, how many KM's. I would get it checked out before you keep driving it.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:28

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:28
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread, agree with the others, get a mechanic to listen to it, don't drive it.
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Reply By: Andrew - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:55

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:55
I'm a bit intrigued by the noise appearing just after some other work was done.
Noted the comments on timing chains etc however is it possible that a wire to a knock sensor has been left off and what you can hear is detonation under load?

That would explain why you can hear it under acceleration when warm.

regards
A
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Reply By: Janet B - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 18:55

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 18:55
Thank you to everyone who has given me a reply to my problem it has given me a lot to go on.
I have not driven it and have organised to have it picked up and taken to the mechanics in the new year.
But I was wondering if any one new how much a new motor would cost to bring over from the states for my car. It is a Ford Explorer Ltd Edition V8, as I might just look into that if it is cheaper than having it fixed here.
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Follow Up By: ross - Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 20:07

Thursday, Dec 22, 2011 at 20:07
Bringing an engine over from the US may appear to be a cheaper solution,but you will still have the engine removal and installation costs.
On top of that you will have to pay for all the external bits and pieces like the manifolds,fuel injection,alternator,starter motor,waterpump,thermostat and numerous other parts to be fitted to the new engine.
Generally,new engines are sold as "bare long motors" which means you dont get all those external bits above that I mentioned,so you reuse the ones off your old engine.

Ill take a guess and say it would be about $1500 to ship an engine here and would take a month at least.
It might be cheaper if you could buy one off an engine importer locally who brings engines in by the container,this is much cheaper than shipping an individual engine which has its own customs inspection and packaging costs on top of the freight
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