Clutch shudder please help

Never owned one, but are you sure it's the clutch and not the motor running rough, say on three cylinders?

shudder is often caused by oil on the plates. Get underneath and look at the air gap at the bottom of the bell housing and see if there is any oil in the vicinity.

Yeah same same....
Shudders when cold,, then seems fine later..
I always idle off from the start anyway and then i never get shudder...
I have had the shudder for 100,000kms now,,, no problem...
105 series.....

Have you had any suspension mods or is it standard?

Oboe,
besides the question of oil on the clutch, did you get the flywheel machined when the clutch was installed. This is normal practice these days.

I have also seen defective pressure plates on aftermarket clutches that have cause the same problem. That is if it is an aftermarket clutch assembly.

Have a good rest of Xmas day,
RA.

Hi Oboe
Firstly have you spoken to the repairer about the problem an has he had a look at the problem. I used to own a Clutch and Brake repair business. It is important to talk to the repairer that worked on you car. I would ask if the flywheel has been machined and what brand of clutch was fitted. Technically the clutch manufacturer can reject any claim if the flywheel was not machined. As stated above I would check for any sign of coming from the weep hole at the front of the bell housing. The other cause for clutch shudder can be soft or broken engine / gearbox mounts, misalignment when fitting the new clutch. You will generally find that reputable repairers will address your problems, good communication is important.
Good Luck and Merry Christmas
Ken

Whats wrong with the standard Toyota OEM clutch? Ive had 2 hilux's in the past 23 years all clutch's have lasted over 350,000kms. My First hilux had over 500,000km when traded changed the clutch once, and this hilux has over 400,000km and just changed the clutch.

Hi
If your Flywheel showed sign of burn marks and very polished in appearance then this is from excess heat .
The flywheel may of needed to be machined or at least roughed with emery paper. Your new clutch plate will slip and grab on this polished surface causing this shudder.
I have a 2 year old Landcruiser 4.5 V8 and the clutch rite from brand new has done this. I have spoken to many other Cruiser owners with the same problem.
As stated by another member that oil leaking from your rear seal may also contribute to this problem.
Best of luck with this
Shayno

Oboe,

Clutch shudder is not a 'fault' with a Toyota, it is a 'feature'. From my experience they just about all shudder.

If you go over to the LCOOL forum, there are many posts on Toyota (Landcruiser) clutch shudder and noone really knows why or how to fix it, bar the installation of an aftermarket HD clutch.

Cheers,

Mark

Sure its not the centre tailshaft bearing/rubber binding up when cold then is ok when it gets a bit of heat into it. Replaced myn due to it shuddering on take off.

Hi Oboe,
The above posts have all contributed good information, and things to check for regarding clutch shudder.

I have come across, including with my own 2.8 Ln106 with new hd clutch.

I had good engine mounts, and gearbox mounts, new center bearing (trick for those about to replace theirs, before you fit the new center bearing, get some sika, I use the black stuff, and inject it into the rubber that holds the bearing in the middle.
By packing that void with sika, it stops the rubber from flogging out in 20k and will last alot longer than if you don't do it.)
Anyway.
Even with everything being in good condition, and with the flywheel machined, if it was cold, and in particular, damp, the clutch will shudder until it warms up a bit and the moisture is gone.

Sadly its a common problem with the asbestos free friction material that they use now. When they first started using that stuff in brake pads, we had alot of issues with grabbing when cold and or damp, excessive wear etc.

I ended up removing the gearbox 3 times, tried different grinds on the flywheel and even the pressure plate assy to help with it bedding in and removing high spots on the clutch plate, all to no avail.

Genuine clutch plates don't seem to have the problem to the extent that most after market clutch's do.

If its within warranty, take it back and see if you can see any obvious faults with it, as its always worth checking, if not, see if you can fit a gen clutchplate with different friction material, tho some clutch manufacturers will claim that they use the same if not better material, but I digress.

As the clutch beds in and wears off the high spots, it may improve, but there is no guarantee that it will.

hope that helps you make an informed decision.

Trains

I just put a brand new Exedy Safari HD clutch and SMF kit behind my 3.2 pajero and it shudders like crazy. I've tried contacting Exedy but no luck so far.

I get a bit of that after 250 000 my left foot is trained to let it slip a bit in compensation. I got other things to worry about. In the old days, (I am allowed to say that now) the cure was to front up to an immovable object and burn the thing in. Well they said that but a lot of other crazy cures were about then.

Owen

Thanks all for your info and suggestions. Will be talking to the repairer about soon as they r back from holidays but by the sounds of things this is not uncommon and i don't feel i will lose to much sleep over it now. As always the forum has helped to answer my questions so thanks for taking the time to reply. Have a great new years and find some mud and have some fun.

Cheers Owen