Suspension upgrade and tire change to 285/75R16

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 20:32
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Hi,

We are looking to upgrade the suspension and tires on our 76 series. We are driving through Africa for 8 months and we are not sure whether we need to go for the 2 inch lift.

We are changing the tires to 285/75R16 BFGoodrich All Terrain instead of 265/70R16. This will give the axles an additional 50mm lift.

We want to change the suspension to EFS but we are worried about getting a 2 inch lift as the vehicle already has a high ride height and we are also worried because of the weight on the roof.

We will be carrying 2 spare tires, jerry cans and the back of the vehicle will be loaded.

Is this a justified concern or do we need to get the lift in order to ensure that once fully loaded it will reduce the "lift" to its original height due to the weight in the back of the vehicle?

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Reply By: Member - Tezza Qld - Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 21:02

Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 21:02
Hi

Firstly changing to 285/75/16 will not give you 50mm of lift.

If I were undertaking an extended trip such as yours a 50mm suspension lift would be number 1 on my list.
If I was happy with the tyres on the vehicle , tread wise etc, than I would use these tyres.

A 50mm lift , or so , from suspension plus the larger tyres would raise the vehicle at best, 65 mm.
The suspension will be carrying the weight and that is where you should spend the money.


Cheers Teza

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Follow Up By: kuipermichael7 - Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 21:27

Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 21:27
Thanks Teza.

The cruiser unfortunately has rubbish Dunlop tires on it which are heavily worn. I need to get tires with a strong side wall and the BF Goodrich has a triple side wall.

Would you be overly concerned regarding the additional ride height, I am extremely worried about the car becoming too top heavy? I will be carrying 2 jerry cans, a spare tire and a roof tent on the roof + the rear of the car will be fully loaded.

Do you perhaps know how much the ride height would drop when fully loaded?


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 22:06

Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 22:06
Hi
Having never been in Africa I don't know the terrain you will be covering.

The extra ride height would not be a concern. Any tyres with a light truck load rating and if possible an all terrain tread pattern would be good.

Your loaded vehicle sounds very similar to those loaded for outback Aust.

Just keep the weight down as much as possible, I know it's not easy, and drive nice and slow to the conditions you encounter and all will be well.

Oh and after a trip like that you should post a photo or two just to make us jealous.. Enjoy

Cheers Teza
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 22:40

Tuesday, Dec 27, 2011 at 22:40
Michael,

yes you will pick up some height from the new 285’s but your main issue without the lift may be scrubbing of the tyres on the inside of the front guards on lock. You should check this before purchasing the tyre. Best way is to fit a pair and then drive over a kerb or bump on half and then full lock.

Speaking from experience, if you are loading the vehicle up, then you should certainly look at upgrading of the rear springs to cope. Also fitment of airbags as a load assist may also be well worth it. Don't rely on the bags as the sole remedy to catering for the extra weight as all you will do is put additional stresses on two specific points and this could spell serious trouble for your diff housing or chassis rails. They should be used in conjunction with a suspension upgrade.

You may also wish to seriously consider the load rating of your tyre and compare it accurately against what you intend carrying. BFGS/Coopers/Bridgestone.....it makes no difference if the tyre is overloaded and you’re travelling in harsh conditions they will fail, particularly in stony country. Even more disaster (in the form of radial cracking) may await if you lower pressures dramatically to cater for sandy conditions so be sure that your tyre of choice is up to the load as well.


I'm running 285/75-16 Toyo Open Country MT's on my 79 series ute. It is a very heavy beast and I am going back for a further suspension upgrade to be rid of the already upgraded stock springs.

You may pick up some things from these two blogs.


Building the dream off roader

Review of the Toyo Open Country MT


Cheers Mick




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Follow Up By: kuipermichael7 - Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:04

Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:04
Cheers Mick, this is really good info. I really need to look into the load ratings.
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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 08:36

Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 08:36
It is dangerous to carry fuel in gerry cans on the roof. Too much weight to high up. You should only carry reasonably light weight bulky items on roof racks.
If you need the extra range get a long range fue tank for your 76. In Australia you can a long range tank with aound 166 l capacity (See http://www.thelongranger.com.au/70serieslongrangefueltank.html for one example ).
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Follow Up By: kuipermichael7 - Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:23

Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:23
Hey,

The thing about Africa is that there are some places that don't have fuel for +/-1,000km. Secondly when you get their you find out they haven't had fuel for a month and thirdly in some towns they have fuel but in 50 gallon drums where the diesel has been mixed with water. People generally recon you need +/-1,250km of fuel.

Do you perhaps know of any excellent fuel filters that I can use to mitigate the risk of dirty fuel?
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:34

Wednesday, Dec 28, 2011 at 16:34
Hi
The have been told these are filter funnels very good for dealing with dirty fuel:

http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/Funnels/MrFunnel.html

Also given the sensitivity of the direct injection engines to contaminated fuel you may want to consider a extra fuel filter if your vehicle does not already have one. Some 70 series models come with 2 fuel filters standard

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Reply By: mikehzz - Thursday, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:36

Thursday, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:36
You are changing your wheel /tyre diameter by 56mm. That gives a 28mm lift not 50mm. In NSW it is also illegal not that anyone seems to take notice :-). RTA regs here in NSW say you can only increase by 15mm so better to check with whatever state authority. There can be insurance issues if the car is outside spec. If they can get out of paying then they will. Sounds like a great trip. Cheers, Mike
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Reply By: Joe P - Saturday, Jan 07, 2012 at 12:50

Saturday, Jan 07, 2012 at 12:50
Gooday (jambo, habari) was there, in 1980 i travelled from kenya back to london in a 4wd truck, we carried 3X200litre drums in the back as there was no reliable fuel from kenya until bangui in central africa

beware of thieves in the night, water purification tablets are a must

i envy you, french and swaheli are useful, just my opinion but i would be on standard rims and tyres,with at least 4 spare tyres, make sure you get your vehicle passage stamped at every check point and get all your visas sorted before you start, bon voyage, cheers joe
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