Split Rims - Again .....
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 at 20:17
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Mark from Getaway Portable Refrigerator Hire
Hello All, Sorry to keep seeking opinions on the Split Rims Vs Tubeless but here goes.
Visited the local Tyre Dealer and sought info on what split rims they may have for sale. Nissan (new) sorry will not fit the 60 series...catches on the inside. Has some yoda rims (used) but still in good shape (bit of rust) a sandblast and spray can would bring them up shmick. Shows me how to remove the tyre and that seems easy... All looking good so far.
He then tells me that once rust starts on the rims and starts to flake around the tube area, they are basically knackered and toss them and get some more. I know that you could just get them sandblasted again rather than toss them but is the rust a real big killer of the tubes?
He quoted a price on the 7.50 x 16's and I just about fell over. $210 plus tube and if you want a good one you have to pay for it.
I know that the debate rages about Splits Vs tubeless but I just need really to know if those that run splits have any trouble keeping the rims in good nick. Willem will no doubt be able to help here.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Mark
Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 at 20:50
Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 at 20:50
Hi Mark, I have been running splits on my troopy for years and was lucky to pick up a couple of sets of chrome ones with the splits on the backside so you can't tell they're splits unless you look at the inside of the rim. Because they are chome plated this elliminates the rust problem on the inside. I have heard of standard splits being galvonised to ellimated the rust problem. I treat the split locking rim with anti rust compound & give them a good coat of paint since these are not chromed. No problem with bead breaking either. The chome rims are getting scarce these days but you can on occasion pick a set up at tyre yards. As for rubber, if you want good quality you have to be prepared to pay for it. Cheers. Have
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Reply By: Phil G - Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 at 20:55
Thursday, Dec 11, 2003 at 20:55
Mick,
I ran splits for years and thought they were great - so easy to fix once you knew how. But I wouldn't bother with them again.
They are too hard to get balanced, the tyres get too hot and wear out faster, the tubes you buy these days are not as good as in the past and split of their own accord, and if you get a puncture, the tyre usually goes flat rather quickly.
Since going to tubeless, I've only had one puncture in 5 years, and think they're the better option these days. On club trips, its almost always the vehicles with split rims that get the flat tyres, and unfortunately, most of the time this is because of tube fatigue on Korean tubes.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Big Trev - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:45
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:45
I have to agre Phil, I recently bought a camper and it had split rims on it, I tracked down a good set (of 3) tubeless 6JJ rims (same as the Maverick) and got the tyres changed over. The bloke at the tyre service said it was a wise move as balancing is a dead set pain in the arse (Willem!!).
I have repaired a tubeless on the side of the road (without tyre pliers) and it didn't take much longer than the in-laws split rims did.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:38
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:38
The bloke at the tyre service said it was a wise move as balancing is a dead set pain in the arse (Willem!!).
Well done Big Trev....!!!!
Willem
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:01
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:01
Mark,
Mmmmm...yes... we have been over this before.
I run Desert Duelers 8pr and they cost me $200 each. I run Dunlop Road Grippers(also known as Telstra Tyres) on the trailer and for extra spares.
Yes tubeless tyres have it over splits if you are commuting and doing not to hard off road work. They may even last longer and get less punctures
BUT if you are travelling off road along narrow tracks with lots of tree growth and bushes then split rims and skinny tyres are the way to go. Tubed tyres generally have stronger sidewalls. Splits are definitely easier to change out bush and if you split a sidewall on a tubeless then you have to put a tube in anyway or throw the tyre away.
By the time your rim rusts you will be on your third or fourth vehicle. And with a split rim you fit a rust guard to protect the tube.
I reiterate.....just about every government 4x4, community 4x4, station 4x4 and mining 4x4 runs on splits. It is mostly the recreational market who buy fats. Finding a matching tyre out in a remote area could be a problem.
Yes, splits are old technology BUT they still work and I am sticking with them. You should be able to buy splits new(second hand taken off 4bies at the tyre shops) for about $40 each.
Cheers,
Willem
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Follow Up By: Mark from Getaway Portable Refrigerator Hire - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:13
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:13
Thanks everyone for your replys .... much appreciated Cheers Mark
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Follow Up By: Mark from Getaway Portable Refrigerator Hire - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 18:58
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 18:58
Willem, It was interesting to note that the latest 4wd Monthly Magazine shows as part of their perfect 4wd, the vehicle having split rims. The tyre dealers seem to be as one in hating them.
Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: Member- Rox - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:37
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:37
Mark I think I told you b4 about National Tyres in Kewdale, I got
mine, new trade ins for $155 each. Ive also just posted my fuel readings comparing fats vs Skinnies on Hiway conditions. Hope this helps, Ps they are also very quiet, even going through the tunnel (Poly Pipe) with the window down.Iv'e got my NEW Camper :-)))))
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Follow Up By: Mark from Getaway Portable Refrigerator Hire - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:28
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:28
Hello Rox...Great to hear about the camper....
I contacted National Tyres and the 7.5 x 16's had all but gone.. Bugger
The next best price I could get was Murphy's Tyrepower with new trades at $185. The rims are about $40-$50 but cheaper through the Quokka.
The sums are :
Currently running 33x10.5x15" (4 of these could go to trailer)
4 new 33's $1,080
3 new 16's rims $ 160
Total $1,240
Spilts:
5 7.5 x16's @ $185 $ 925
4 Rims x $50 $ 200 (inclusive of Sandblast & spraycan)
Total $1,125
The current splits on the trailer are
well worn but hanging in there and are demonstrating the toughness of the rubber.
You can see that there are pro's and con's and the overall cost to change is around the same.
Did the splits that you obtained require and clean up ie sandblast or wire brush. I was looking at powder coating but as soon as you put a tyre lever on it, the coating will start to come off.... Regards Mark
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Follow Up By: Member- Rox - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 23:54
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 23:54
Mark They are all gone cause I bought 8 in 2 days.
Got the rims extra 4 in Quaker $20 each but he gave me 4 for $50 in Maylands had a few 1.5 months ago. Rushed to get them to CT Maker so haven't cleaned them up yet but a wire brush will be fine.
My cost was Tyres, tubes, Rust/rim liner fitted x4 = $760 Rims $50
I now have 9 rims + tyres all the same, sparesx1 car, 2x CT all interchangable.
Ring your local (New town Toyota) Toyo
shop and ask diff in rims as 75 series are diff offset. then you can serch the Quaker on the phone.Iv'e got my NEW Camper :-)))))
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Reply By: ogray - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:44
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:44
I have splits on my hj60. What pressures are those with experience of splits run in there tyres.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:49
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:49
I run my tyre pressures at 30psi normal running around and 35psi with a full load of tucker and 230lts of fuel . Drop the pressures back to 30psi once I get on to dirt tracks. I run 25psi in my trailer splits.
Cheers,
Willem
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Follow Up By: Member- Rox - Saturday, Dec 13, 2003 at 00:01
Saturday, Dec 13, 2003 at 00:01
I am running Max at 55psi drop to 30psi gravel coragations, 20psi off road all tyres. Have been down to 12psi in trailer on soft beachIv'e got my NEW Camper :-)))))
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Reply By: Barry - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:49
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:49
Mark,
well worth getting Michelin tubes, approx. $30 compared to about $15, they have shorter valve stems and are top quality. Haven't had a puncture since fitting them to the HJ47 five yrs. ago.
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Reply By: Member- Rox - Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 23:56
Friday, Dec 12, 2003 at 23:56
Mark if you want a test drive my rims on your truck get in touch, 0414 929 611Iv'e got my NEW Camper :-)))))
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Reply By: Big Trev - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:34
Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:34
If anyone wants 3 split rims for a Nissan for free let me know, they are in pretty good nick (I'm in the Shepparton - Vict area)
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